The liberals bring out the gun control dog whistle.

[Derek 2.0]

I don't have to speak to it - I've offered my acceptance of the position taken by law-enforcement... with representation of that already detailed and provided. You yourself made a statement on the tracing of imported guns back to 'hostile areas'... what countries are they filtering through. And now you have the gall to shift that to a "reduce gun violence in Canada" focus? You are clearly being purposely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

Not at all, as (AFAIK), Canada has never been shown to be a major player (Post Second World War) in the small arms industry, likewise, a "filter" for which guns from major gun producing countries use to export their firearms to conflict zones........

I could be wrong, but I would assume third world dictators and terrorist groups purchase their arms from the country of origin, not from Canadian Tire.

[Derek 2.0]

you didn't offer any data on gun violence... your graphic was on homicide. Again:

if you want to make this a discussion on gun violence - make your opening statement and provide cited substantiation to that end... one that is yours, definitive and all-encompassing. Please proceed, governor!

I am done with your standard routine where there's never a reference benchmark to your "ever-shifting dynamic word-play and context juggling". Put it in writing and make it your reference statement.

No, the link (to the CBC) I provided, in said post, spoke very clearly to gun homicides...........And why would I need to provide data on gun violence as a whole? You did that above, and it supports my claim that not only gun murders are down, but overall gun violence and the use of firearms in crimes.....

I thank you for proving my point Waldo

Edited October 8, 2015 by Derek 2.0

[waldo]

I could be wrong, but I would assume third world dictators and terrorist groups purchase their arms from the country of origin, not from Canadian Tire.

so... you've taken the context of imported guns (into Canada) potentially finding themselves in 'world hotspots'... and you think you're clever/cute by making a reference to "Canadian Tire"?

not sure why you're so resistant to taking up my suggestion you address and attempt to counter the rationale put forward by law-enforcement. Is there a problem, for you?

[waldo]

No, the link (to the CBC) I provided, in said post, spoke very clearly to gun homicides...........And why would I need to provide data on gun violence as a whole? You did that above, and it supports my claim that not only gun murders are down, but overall gun violence and the use of firearms in crimes.....

I thank you for proving my point Waldo

why are you so resistant to adding a qualification on why the gun related homicide rate is reduced? I've done so, many times over... detailing an assortment of contributors to that end. Why you you so resistant to doing the same? Is there a problem for you?

it's you that extended beyond homicide... to firearms usage within crimes and implied violence at large. That was you. Why are you so resistant to my request simply asking that:

if you want to make this a discussion on gun violence - make your opening statement and provide cited substantiation to that end... one that is yours, definitive and all-encompassing. Please proceed, governor!

I am done with your standard routine where there's never a reference benchmark to your "ever-shifting dynamic word-play and context juggling". Put it in writing and make it your reference statement.

is there a problem for you?

Edited October 8, 2015 by waldo

[waldo]

- and yes - until you provide a qualification on that homicide rate... an attribution on why you interpret that rate has been reduced...

- and yes - until you provide a summary statement on the current status of gun-related violence, one you can substantiate with your own definitive and all-encompassing support data/information...

yes... we are done here!

[Derek 2.0]

so... you've taken the context of imported guns (into Canada) potentially finding themselves in 'world hotspots'... and you think you're clever/cute by making a reference to "Canadian Tire"?

Yes, as I've already said, I don't see any "upside" for such a notion for legally imported firearms into Canada. For the simple fact of cost alone, when one can purchase throughout the third world a Russian/East Bloc/Chinese produced AK-47 for the same cost as you or I would pay for a meal out. Furthermore, of the several, very rare, cases I can think of guns being smuggled into Canada from the United States, and then onto a conflict zone (Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s), said guns were brought into Canada illegally, hence wouldn't have been subjected to said importing stamps.

So no, I don't feel Canada is a small arms source country for the world's hot spots.

not sure why you're so resistant to taking up my suggestion you address and attempt to counter the rationale put forward by law-enforcement. Is there a problem, for you?

I have called into question that very point.........for domestic law enforcement, I fail to see what said stamps would provide, over already required markings for lawfully imported firearms (serial numbers/manufacturer/arsenal stamps/cartridge size etc), firearms on import to Canadian wholesalers, are inspected prior by the CBSA.

Canadian law enforcement already knows what legally imported guns are brought into the country, versus smuggled firearms, that wouldn't be subjected to said stamps (as no American Congress will ever implement the UN Treaty).

Inversely, I'd have no real inversion to said stamps on new firearms, if the costs don't result in a major increase in price, but more importantly, don't result in a loss of both warranty and the corrosion protection of said firearm(s)......and these are the major concerns left unanswered by Canadian industry/retailers, and in turn, the Harper Government.

Furthermore, if you read the actual treaty, it calls for national firearms registries in combination with said importing requirements, but, said calls would be mooted since the CPC/LPC/NDP do not call for a new LGR in this country......

So we are left with firearms with "CA" stamped onto them, and questions as to who is going to pay for it.......and what actual benefit this will provide to Canadian policing.