Why are socialists so different between countries?

Freddy · July 4, 2015

So how do we change that?

. Stop being a bunch of feminist rainbow kitten's. Grow a pair of balls and get to work at being the best humans on earth. Not the softest most privileged humans we are at the moment. Edited July 4, 2015 by Freddy

Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

. Stop being a bunch of feminist rainbow kitten's. Grow a pair of balls and get to work at being the best humans on earth. Not the softest most privileged humans we are at the moment.

It's nice rhetorically, but what concrete proposals would you make to that end? Feel free to answer it in my new thread on this if you prefer.

Freddy · July 4, 2015

I'm certainly pro-immigration, and that helps. But that alone does not make the native population literate.

Only hours of mothers & fathers who actually care for their children, educating their kids at home can accomplish that. Our perfect family dynamics established by millions of years of evolution are mostly broken.

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-1=e^ipi · July 4, 2015

We'look even raise the minimum wage, but never that half are functionally illiterate.

Yep. Raise the minimum wage by an arbitrary amount and claim that you are defending the poor, even though you are increasing unemployment.

But never actually try to deal with the issue as to why people don't have the skills to earn a higher wage in the first place.

-Politician Logic

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Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

Yep. Raise the minimum wage by an arbitrary amount and claim that you are defending the poor, even though you are increasing unemployment.

But never actually try to deal with the issue as to why people don't have the skills to earn a higher wage in the first place.

-Politician Logic

Exactly. I want to vote for a radical candidate. What I mean by that is one who deals with the root of the problem and not promote bandaid solutions.

Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

Only hours of mothers & fathers who actually care for their children, educating their kids at home can accomplish that. Our perfect family dynamics established by millions of years of evolution are mostly broken.

So how do we teach a parent who never learnt to be a parent how to be a parent?

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Freddy · July 4, 2015

So how do we teach a parent who never learnt to be a parent how to be a parent?

You don't. That's why we are broken as a society, and are heading for extinction.

Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

You don't. That's why we are broken as a society, and are heading for extinction.

So schools should not even try to improve literacy rates?

Canada_First · July 4, 2015

Home schooling is best in this country. Public school in this country are very weak. Paid too much money for bad work.

Garbage schools in Canada.

Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

Home schooling is best in this country. Public school in this country are very weak. Paid too much money for bad work.

Garbage schools in Canada.

Not every parent can home school, so how do we improve public school education? Increased funding, school vouchers, a combination of these, something else?

PrimeNumber · July 4, 2015

I agree, our public school system is broken. It's stuck in the past. We need to modernize our school system while also focusing on the basics. Better trades schooling at lower level would also prepare kids and teenagers for manual labour. Everything is moving to a highly technological way of accomplishing things, we need to incorporate this into all aspects of learning.
A school system that not only prepares children to have a basic knowledge of reading, writing and math skills but also a basic knowledge of many trades and proficient computer knowledge. We would have a very dangerous work force if these kinds of things we implemented.
Save all the advanced stuff for those that want to pursue it in university. All the basics will be covered on those subjects in post-secondary anyways.

-1=e^ipi · July 4, 2015

Not every parent can home school, so how do we improve public school education? Increased funding, school vouchers, a combination of these, something else?

Getting rid of discovery math would be a good start. Teach science/math instead of trying to brainwash kids with activism, social justice, etc. Schools should be about learning useful skills, not indoctrinating kids into a certain ideology.

I don't think it's a matter of funding or private vs public. It's a matter of culture of the teachers and how they approach teaching and the 'consensus' beliefs about teaching that they form.

Competition needs to be increased in schools. We've reached a point where you can't fail anyone, teachers that fail kids get fired, everyone gets a participation ribbon, etc.

Perhaps all high schools should adopt international standards such as the international baccalaureate program.

http://www.ibo.org/

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Freddy · July 4, 2015

Not every parent can home school, so how do we improve public school education? Increased funding, school vouchers, a combination of these, something else?

You re-instate consequences to failure.

Because in reality failure has consequences. Like not attracting corporations due to being None competitive.

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Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

Getting rid of discovery math would be a good start. Teach science/math instead of trying to brainwash kids with activism, social justice, etc. Schools should be about learning useful skills, not indoctrinating kids into a certain ideology.

I don't think it's a matter of funding or private vs public. It's a matter of culture of the teachers and how they approach teaching and the 'consensus' beliefs about teaching that they form.

Competition needs to be increased in schools. We've reached a point where you can't fail anyone, teachers that fail kids get fired, everyone gets a participation ribbon, etc.

Perhaps all high schools should adopt international standards such as the international baccalaureate program.http://www.ibo.org/

Given that education on reserves is a Federal responsibility, how do we make this an election issue. Sorry, but for me Canada's literacy rate really is that fundamentally important, especially when it's 60% on reserves. Do we start a campaign asking our candidates where they stand on a national literacy strategy?

-1=e^ipi · July 4, 2015

Given that education on reserves is a Federal responsibility

Maybe that's the problem. Perhaps it would be better if the reserve system were eliminated and the children received provincial education similar to their peers elsewhere in the country.

Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

Maybe that's the problem. Perhaps it would be better if the reserve system were eliminated and the children received provincial education similar to their peers elsewhere in the country.

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Maybe that's the problem. Perhaps it would be better if the reserve system were eliminated and the children received provincial education similar to their peers elsewhere in the country.

Even if we did that, Stats Can 2011 shows an adult literacy rate of 50% Canada-wide. And with English and French being less of a common mother tongue on reserves, that alone would therefore not likely improver the national average much it at all. If provinces can't produce decent literacy rates, is it time for a co-ordinated national strategy? Edited July 4, 2015 by Second-class Canadian

Canada_First · July 4, 2015

Not every parent can home school, so how do we improve public school education? Increased funding, school vouchers, a combination of these, something else?

hold teachers and students accountable. As it us now a student who doesn't show up to class all year still passes. No accountability.

-1=e^ipi · July 4, 2015

And with English and French being less of a common mother tongue on reserves

Yet children of immigrants without English or French do well or even excel in our school systems.

If provinces can't produce decent literacy rates, is it time for a co-ordinated national strategy?

National or provincial, the ultimate issue is cultural (i.e. not enough emphasis on competition, science, math, etc.), so even if we had a national education system it would still perform terribly. The teaching culture in Canada needs to be addressed, which most likely means taking on the teaching unions which are entrenched in the current teaching culture.

Second-class Canadian · July 4, 2015

Yet children of immigrants without English or French do well or even excel in our school systems.

National or provincial, the ultimate issue is cultural (i.e. not enough emphasis on competition, science, math, etc.), so even if we had a national education system it would still perform terribly. The teaching culture in Canada needs to be addressed, which most likely means taking on the teaching unions which are entrenched in the current teaching culture.

How do we break the unions? School vouchers, right-to-work laws, a combination of these, something else?

Freddy · July 4, 2015

The educational system has to teach our children the ability of producing something real that is valued in corporations. Knowledge of difficult international circumstances, accounting, organization for efficiency etc.....

How do we teach something we can't even produce in our own country?

60% of our population hates corporations,blames them for all the evil in this world, and wishes them to be wiped off the earth. I'd avoid Canada if I was a corporatist.

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-1=e^ipi · July 5, 2015

How do we break the unions? School vouchers, right-to-work laws, a combination of these, something else?

Right to work laws would be a good idea. Maybe passing a law to limit the union's role away from encouraging certain types of teaching or from being political. A more extreme option is to declare teaching an essential service and make teachers unions illegal.

Second-class Canadian · July 5, 2015

The educational system has to teach our children the ability of producing something real that is valued in corporations. Knowledge of difficult international circumstances, accounting, organization for efficiency etc.....

How do we teach something we can't even produce in our own country?

60% of our population hates corporations,blames them for all the evil in this world, and wishes them to be wiped off the earth. I'd avoid Canada if I was a corporatist.

By importing foreign teachers? What if the Federal government required all who were hired to teach in universal compulsory education in Canada to own a valid passport and appropriate teacher qualifications, but no need for a work visa? Suddenly if local teachers don't possess the knowledge we need, our public schools could hire teachers from the world over. Immigration is a Federal responsibility.

Provincially, the government adopts the IB curriculum, right-to-work laws, and school vouchers. Suddenly union power is weakened and our public school teachers are competing with the world. Any other idea? Maybe ask our candidates where they stand on opening Canada's education market to foreign teachers?

Second-class Canadian · July 5, 2015

The educational system has to teach our children the ability of producing something real that is valued in corporations. Knowledge of difficult international circumstances, accounting, organization for efficiency etc.....

How do we teach something we can't even produce in our own country?

60% of our population hates corporations,blames them for all the evil in this world, and wishes them to be wiped off the earth. I'd avoid Canada if I was a corporatist.

By importing foreign teachers? What if the Federal government required all who were hired to teach in universal compulsory education in Canada to own a valid passport and appropriate teacher qualifications, but no need for a work visa? Suddenly if local teachers don't possess the knowledge we need, our public schools could hire teachers from the world over. Immigration is a Federal responsibility.

Provincially, the government adopts the IB curriculum, right-to-work laws, and school vouchers. Suddenly union power is weakened and our public school teachers are competing with the world. Any other idea? Maybe ask our candidates where they stand on opening Canada's education market to foreign teachers?

Freddy · July 5, 2015

By importing foreign teachers? What if the Federal government required all who were hired to teach in universal compulsory education in Canada to own a valid passport and appropriate teacher qualifications, but no need for a work visa? Suddenly if local teachers don't possess the knowledge we need, our public schools could hire teachers from the world over. Immigration is a Federal responsibility.

Provincially, the government adopts the IB curriculum, right-to-work laws, and school vouchers. Suddenly union power is weakened and our public school teachers are competing with the world. Any other idea? Maybe ask our candidates where they stand on opening Canada's education market to foreign teachers?

Maybe, If that's what's needed to stop the production of more corporation hating rainbow kitten's that want the right to sue a company because of micro aggressions in the workplace, and put environmental barriers to every possible situation imaginable. Obsessed with fairness and equality instead of being obsessed with being competitive and efficient . Edited July 5, 2015 by Freddy

-1=e^ipi · July 5, 2015

Maybe ask our candidates where they stand on opening Canada's education market to foreign teachers?

Wow, that might work. Replace domestic teachers with foreign teachers if the domestic teachers are no good. And if the unions complain, call them xenophobic racists. The unions will be politically and ideologically neutralized.

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