On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 so have I, But I haven't become completely disillusioned with the idea a zero carbon emissions world is realistic or even a good idea. What is a good idea about excess carbon emissions... Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) What is a good idea about excess carbon emissions...Plants and trees need lots of it to grow. trees are built out of carbon molecules. The more we pump into the atmosphere, the faster they grow.Our whole world financial system is based on a what a human can produce assisted by machines powered by oil. Changing that will not be a clean easy transition. It can cause recession poverty and even death, like in the Great Depression. Your advocating change without the understanding of the consequences of it. Social & economical. Your not looking at the bigger picture. You looking at it from a environmental biased perspective and ignoring everything else. Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Plants and trees need lots of it to grow. trees are built out of carbon molecules. The more we pump into the atmosphere, the faster they grow. Our whole world financial system is based on a what a human can produce assisted by machines powered by oil. Changing that will not be a clean easy transition. It can cause recession poverty and even death, like in the Great Depression. Your advocating change without the understanding of the consequences of it. Social & economical. Your not looking at the bigger picture. You looking at it from a environmental biased perspective and ignoring everything else. Apparently you need a basic lesson in photosynthesis. Plants and trees have been flourishing since well before we discovered oil. And we had a financial system before that as well. Add to that the wars that have been fought over oil since we got hooked on it. The bigger picture is that its killing us, and its finite. The sun comes up everyday, and will for a long time after the last barrel. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 By the looks of things cleaning up the earth could be a very essential industry of the future as far as i can see. We will have become so efficient at producing everything that new industry & new jobs will be needed. Economically, cleaning up Pollution may make up a huge part of tomorrow's jobs. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Apparently you need a basic lesson in photosynthesis. Plants and trees have been flourishing since well before we discovered oil. And we had a financial system before that as well. Add to that the wars that have been fought over oil since we got hooked on it. The bigger picture is that its killing us, and its finite. The sun comes up everyday, and will for a long time after the last barrel. Apparently you need a basic lesson in photosynthesis. Plants and trees have been flourishing since well before we discovered oil. And we had a financial system before that as well. Add to that the wars that have been fought over oil since we got hooked on it. The bigger picture is that its killing us, and its finite. The sun comes up everyday, and will for a long time after the last barrel.Look at humans when they have access to proper nutrition. We grow taller.Same with the plants. The more carbon they have access too, the faster they grow. Before our "what a man can produce with a machine powered by oil " economy. The world economy was based on how many slaves you own to produce something. Your absolutely right, Let's go back to slavery. It was so much better. /rolls his eyes. Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Look at humans when they have access to proper nutrition. We grow taller. Same with the plants. The more carbon they have access too, the faster they grow. Before our "what a man can produce with a machine powered by oil " economy. The world economy was based on how many slaves you own to produce something. Your absolutely right, Let's go back to slavery. It was so much better. /rolls his eyes. It seems you are locked into an idea that the only thing that can power anything is oil. Also, the more we have access to air pollution, the sicker we get. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) It seems you are locked into an idea that the only thing that can power anything is oil. Also, the more we have access to air pollution, the sicker we get.I'm referring to the petro dollar. Our world is locked in a "What can be produced with oil" economy.It has been since a little before World War One. We have free health care. Use it. Install some air filtration for yourself. Ware a mask. Live in the country, / solar farm land Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 I'm referring to the petro dollar. Our world is locked in a "What can be produced with oil" economy. It has been since a little before World War One. We have free health care. Use it. It was for some time for sure. I think we are moving on though. The health care comment is just stupid. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 It was for some time for sure. I think we are moving on though. The health care comment is just stupid. Your over emphasizing the damage of carbon. How many volcano eruption have caused our whole atmosphere to be saturated with carbon do you think? And yet here we still are. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Your over emphasizing the damage of carbon. How many volcano eruption have caused our whole atmosphere to be saturated with carbon do you think? And yet here we still are. And exactly when was it that happened since we have been here. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 And exactly when was it that happened since we have been here. Life on earth has been here for a while. Or do you exclude humans from life on earth? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Life on earth has been here for a while. Or do you exclude humans from life on earth? The point I am making is that if we have one of those volcanic events you speak of that saturates the atmosphere with carbon, we wont be here. What we are doing now is creating the same form of demise, just doig it more slowly than a volcano can Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) The point I am making is that if we have one of those volcanic events you speak of that saturates the atmosphere with carbon, we wont be here. What we are doing now is creating the same form of demise, just doig it more slowly than a volcano canI don't think earth without humans is a bad thing. Earth without life would sadden me though.humans are disgusting creatures. Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 I don't think earth without humans is a bad thing. Earth without life would sadden me though.humans are disgusting creatures. There was life before us, and there will be after. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 There was life before us, and there will be after. then burning fossil fuels and any other disgusting thing like humans smoking crack dose not matter. Let it do its time. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 then burning fossil fuels and any other disgusting thing like humans smoking crack dose not matter. Let it do its time. Could be. Or could be we could make some smart custodial decisions. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Could be. Or could be we could make some smart custodial decisions.Turning the earth into a giant solar panel sphere is not, in my opinion, a smart custodial decision.Your more then welcomed to believe it. Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Turning the earth into a giant solar panel sphere is not, in my opinion, a smart custodial decision. Your more then welcomed to believe it. Obviously solar doesn't work everywhere, but like it or not, solar radiation will be coming down to you tomorrow so why not use it. We also have wind, hydro as you mentioned, tidal is obvious but needs more work. Lots of things that can and are being harnessed that are there for the taking, without harming the staples of life for humans. Quote
WWWTT Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Hey how do you reconcile your love of the NDP with their complete devotion to global warming? They're just sucking up votes from the greens. ONDP was all for not taxing home heating bills. But the "alarmists" in the ONDP always cry murder and we go through this drama again and again. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Argus Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Posted June 13, 2015 OPEC was intentional pumping it out slowly. And this year changed its slow pumping policy to a new regular pumping speed. I know right? Very difficult stuff to understand. For political reasons, remember. This is part of the Suuni Shiite thing. Cutting the price of oil hurts Iran, while the gulf countries, with much lower populations, can afford to bear it for some time to come. But of course this could all change at any time. And suddenly the price shoots back up. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Topp is an experienced guy, having already served as a chief of staff for Roy Romanow's NDP government in Saskatchewan. There's not exactly a lot of experienced NDP staffers in Alberta, so looking outside the province isn't that big of a surprise. What alternatives would you propose? Search through the dumpster of discarded Progressive Conservative partisans? Appoint some oil industry cronies? Are those the only alternatives? There's no one else in Alberta that might be able to run an office? That might be able to provide sensitive political advice to a minister? You only need a dozen people, after all. There aren't a dozen people in Alberta who could do this? Of course Levant knows what he's doing, playing on the reliable old Albertan distrust of easterners. That might resonate with some people; largely older rural conservatives who didn't vote for Rachel Notley anyway. You seriously think it's only those useless, stupid old farm people who would have a problem with the energy minister of a province whose entire economy is based on energy, knowing nothing about energy, and having, as her chief of staff, a man from Toronto whose major preoccupation over the past some years has been trying to destroy Alberta's energy industry? You don't think maybe even some of the young cool, smart, modern, fabulous people who work in the energy sector might have a few qualms about that? Edited June 13, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) And the shareholders will pull their money out as they see the writing on the wall, and move into renewables. Now there is something to rejoice. Uh, I pulled all my money out of oil stocks some months back. Not a time went into renewables. The argument between you and Freddy is moronic. We will have an absolute need for oil and gas for many decades to come. The demand for it will not slow during your lifetime or mine. In fact, it will continue to rise. The fall in prices is temporary and a lot of it has already been reversed. A few years down the line prices will be back up where they were before. Solar power is nowhere NEAR ready to replace fossil fuels and won't be in your lifetime or mine. Edited June 13, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Uh, I pulled all my money out of oil stocks some months back. Not a time went into renewables. Its your money. Quote
Argus Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Posted June 13, 2015 Its your money. Money goes where the profits are. There's no profit in renewables yet. If you want to put your money there and hope that there will be profits in years to come, that's a worthy investment position to take. A lot of the big boys do so. Elon Musk does so, for example. But Tesla isn't expected to be profitable until 2020, if then. My growth investments are in companies and industries which are profitable NOW and which have rising profits NOW. The point is your suggestion companies which pull money from the oil companies will put it into renewables was grossly optimistic and has no supporting evidence. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WWWTT Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 For political reasons, remember. This is part of the Suuni Shiite thing. Cutting the price of oil hurts Iran, while the gulf countries, with much lower populations, can afford to bear it for some time to come. But of course this could all change at any time. And suddenly the price shoots back up. Then explain why Russia, the worlds #1 producer is pumping like crazy? Better yet, try to prove that it wasn't Russia that was the first to deflate the price of oil. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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