Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Yep. 60 bucks a month. And that is nice. That's a completely separate program. Income splitting gives full benefit to only 15% of families. That doesn't mean only 15% benefit. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 That's a completely separate program. Income splitting gives full benefit to only 15% of families. That doesn't mean only 15% benefit. And my point is when Harper or his people describe it they try to convince you they are not separate programs to try and offset the imbalance i the icoe splitting portion. Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 And my point is when Harper or his people describe it they try to convince you they are not separate programs to try and offset the imbalance i the icoe splitting portion. Both programs are a benefit. One benefits all, and one benefits many...the one that benefits many just happens to benefit 15% more than the rest, as with most programs Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Both programs are a benefit. One benefits all, and one benefits many...the one that benefits many just happens to benefit 15% more than the rest, as with most programs Sounds like you got a talking point direct from Harper. The one that benefits 15%, benefits...15%. Thats the families that fit into the program guidelines...i.e. have kids the right age and are in the tax bracket already discussed. Thats 15% of families in this country. And it will cost billions in lost tax revenue which could much better be spent on those who dont fit into that tax bracket and dot make 125k. Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Sounds like you got a talking point direct from Harper. The one that benefits 15%, benefits...15%. Thats the families that fit into the program guidelines...i.e. have kids the right age and are in the tax bracket already discussed. Anyone who has kids under 18 and has one spouse that makes more than the other benefits. How much they benefit is determined by the disparity in income. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Anyone who has kids under 18 and has one spouse that makes more than the other benefits. How much they benefit is determined by the disparity in income. And as long as that exceeds 125k, youre in. Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 And as long as that exceeds 125k, youre in. I'm sorry, but you obviously misunderstand. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 I'm sorry, but you obviously misunderstand. No, I dont. I know how this program works. So does anyone who has bothered to study it. Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 No, I dont. I know how this program works. So does anyone who has bothered to study it. As soon as there is any type of income disparity in a family with children under 18, the program is of a benefit. It's only of the most benefit when the disparity is very large. As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) As soon as there is any type of income disparity in a family with children under 18, the program is of a benefit. It's only of the most benefit when the disparity is very large. As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have very clearly demonstrated it is you who have no idea what you are talking about. The program will cost bout 2 billion a year, and benefit 15% of families. Perhaps math is not your strong suit, but trust me, that is a major cost for a very minor benefit, and to those who dont, or at least shouldnt need it. Even Harpers own previous finance minister, now deceased, Jim Flaherty, realized the faulty nature of the plan and advised against it. Edited April 18, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Even Harpers own previous finance minister, now deceased, Jim Flaherty, realized the faulty nature of the plan and advised against it. That was before the $2000 cap. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 That was before the $2000 cap. Small potatoes. They just shuffled a few bucks from incoe splittig ad threw it into UCCB. Which is at least a step in the right direction, but an infinitesimally minor one. Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Small potatoes. They just shuffled a few bucks from incoe splittig ad threw it into UCCB. If by a few bucks you mean $720 per kid...yes. Wow, you must be wealthy if you can pretend that kind of money is nothing. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 If by a few bucks you mean $720 per kid...yes. Wow, you must be wealthy if you can pretend that kind of money is nothing. You do know thats per year huh... Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 You do know thats per year huh... You do understand how much money that is to a poor person, I hope. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 You do understand how much money that is to a poor person, I hope. As I have already stated I dont mind at all that adjustment to that already existing program. But as you have pointed out, they are two separate programs. And the income splitting is new, hugely expensive, and will only benefit a small number of people who dont need it. Whenever Harper or a cabinet minister gets questioned on it they try run the two programs together to try and hide from the reality. Sounds like you have already fallen for it. Quote
Smallc Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 As I've already stated, I know two families who make far less than you claimed they needed to who have benefitted, and that's without looking. Without income splitting, one would have owed money. Instead, they got about $100 back. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 As I've already stated, I know two families who make far less than you claimed they needed to who have benefitted, and that's without looking. Without income splitting, one would have owed money. Instead, they got about $100 back. I dont doubt your story. It really doesnt change much with regard to the fact it is a regressive, and very expensive program. Quote
Argus Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Check the actual facts. It benefits about 15% of families who have to already have a good income to qualify. And, it is extremely expensive. If we disregard the lowest 30%, who pay NO income taxes, then it seems to me it benefits middle class folks, the ones paying taxes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 I dont doubt your story. It really doesnt change much with regard to the fact it is a regressive, and very expensive program. And fair. You forgot that part. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 And fair. You forgot that part. No, because THAT part doesnt exist with this program. Quote
poochy Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 How long have you been making her wear a bag over her head? Are you ill? Quote
poochy Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 This program certainly does nothing to help those who need it. Just another appeal to Harpers base. It's great how you instantly went from claiming that a tax break is taking money from others to wanting to take money from others and give it to those who did not work for it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 It's great how you instantly went from claiming that a tax break is taking money from others to wanting to take money from others and give it to those who did not work for it. Huh... Quote
poochy Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Huh... Sure, play dumb, it was up thread a way, anyway, my tax refund this year was significantly higher thanks to the government allowing me to keep more of the money i worked for, which was quite helpful, and I expect that next year will be even better with income splitting, it's just too bad for me that my kids are almost too old to allow me to claim it. Im not wealthy, I make a good living and work lots of extra hours to do so, the real crux of this discussion is that you want other people to have the money i work for, which is fine, i want them to have some of it too, it's good for the country, the question is how much. Considering how much i work and how much I make im not living the high life, so getting a little more of what i work for to pay my bills and maybe help my kids with their education is a good thing. The idea that it's just rich people, or upper middle class people benefiting is UTTER NONSENSE. Quote
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