Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 No, you're wrong. Some things actually are about race. Most things - the vast majority of things, are not. And I suppose you get to decide what is and what is not? Quote
Smallc Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 And I suppose you get to decide what is and what is not? We all make judgements based on what we see. Quote
TimG Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) But what's really hilarious is how your counter example makes my point for me better than I could have. In your "race blind" construct, a black guy dressed like a white guy in a suit=no threat, while a white guy dressed like a black guy (in "gang colours")=dangerous.Clothing create an image which the wearer chooses to project. Gang colors are intended to project the 'i'm a criminal and I want to intimidate you' image and suits project an 'i'm a professional and I want your respect' image. The fact that people react differently to different clothing is by design. It is not my fault if your race obsessed mentality chooses to associate particular clothing choices with particular races. Most importantly, clothing is a choice. If someone chooses to dress in gang colors they should expect the reaction that comes with and that reaction has nothing to do with race. Edited December 23, 2014 by TimG Quote
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 We all make judgements based on what we see. And if someone else sees racism in something, you still dismiss it. You've positioned yourself as the sole arbiter of these matters here. Quote
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Clothing create an image which the wearer chooses to project. Gang colors are intended to project the "i'm a criminal and I want to intimidate you' image and suits project an 'i'm a professional and I want your respect'. The fact that people react differently to different clothing is by design. It is not my fault if your race obsessed mentality chooses to associate particular clothing choices with particular races. If you think certain clothing choices aren't colour-coded, you are either lying or delusional. It's right in front of your face. Most importantly, clothing is a choice. If someone chooses to dress in gang colors they should expect the reaction that comes with and that reaction has nothing to do with race. It does because race is inseparable from the "look". Edited December 23, 2014 by Black Dog Quote
cybercoma Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 The validity of one's opinion is not affected by one's race. Being black no more makes you an expert on racism than being white makes you an expert on anything else. Jesus. Are you kidding me with this crap? I guess the validity of a dentists opinion on teeth is irrelevant too. Think about what you're saying. Black people's opinions about how they experience racism is not any more valid than a white person's opinion about how black people experience racism? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? Quote
TimG Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) If you think certain clothing choices aren't colour-coded, you are either lying or delusional. It's right in front of your face.No - you are delusional. Clothing choices are about the image that people choose to project. There is nothing "white" about it a suit. It is just the clothing that professionals where in our society. If you want to be seen as a professional in our society then you wear a suit. It does because race is inseparable from the "look".There is a huge difference. When people make a clothing choice they are expecting others to judge them by their choice. That is why the fashion industry exists. Edited December 23, 2014 by TimG Quote
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) No - you are delusional. Clothing choices are about the image that people choose to project. There is nothing "white" about it a suit. It is just the clothing that professionals where in our society. If you want to be seen as a professional in our society then you wear a suit. It seems you do understand that clothes send messages. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that there are racial messages encoded in dress styles. Why do you think certain looks mean what they do in the first place? There is a huge difference. When people make a clothing choice they are expecting others to judge them by their choice. That is why the fashion industry exists. Which has sweet FA to do with anything I'm talking about. Edited December 23, 2014 by Black Dog Quote
Smallc Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 And if someone else sees racism in something, you still dismiss it. You've positioned yourself as the sole arbiter of these matters here. And you've positioned people who share your chosen view of the arbiter. What makes them more qualified? Quote
TimG Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 It seems you do understand that clothes send messages. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that there are racial messages encoded in dress styles. Why do you think certain looks mean what they do in the first place?The types of activities that a person might engage in is associated with clothing choice. Any correlation between certain types of activities and race is coincidental and not relevant. It is the associated activity which creates the image. Quote
Smallc Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 Jesus. Are you kidding me with this crap? I guess the validity of a dentists opinion on teeth is irrelevant too. Are you unable to make the distinction between someone trained in a medical science and someone who is simply alive? Being alive and a certain colour does not qualify you in anything. It seems you do understand that clothes send messages. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that there are racial messages encoded in dress styles. Why do you think certain looks mean what they do in the first place? Because certain looks are associated with a violent subset of society. They may have racial beginnings but that's meaningless now. Quote
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) The types of activities that a person might engage in is associated with clothing choice. Any correlation between certain types of activities and race is coincidental and not relevant. It is the associated activity which creates the image. Not exclusively. Absurd to suggest that is the case. Far from being coincidental, race, is incidental when it comes to certain forms of dress and behaviour. Edited December 23, 2014 by Black Dog Quote
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 Because certain looks are associated with a violent subset of society. They may have racial beginnings but that's meaningless now. Because Smallc, the arbiter of all things post-racial, has declared it thus and lo! it was so. Quote
Argus Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 I don't see your point. Most people don't feel that way. The point would be that the quote is from Jesse Jackson. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 Jesus. Are you kidding me with this crap? I guess the validity of a dentists opinion on teeth is irrelevant too. Think about what you're saying. Black people's opinions about how they experience racism is not any more valid than a white person's opinion about how black people experience racism? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? What if those selfsame Black people are virulently racist themselves? How many of them do you think will acknowledge that they are racist? The people in the US who probably feel the most racism are Asians who work in Black communities. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 Funny enough, using the term reverse racism to describe discrimination against whites actually implies that only whites can be racist. Otherwise, you'd just say "racist". Funny enough, I did say 'racist'. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bonam Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 What if those selfsame Black people are virulently racist themselves? How many of them do you think will acknowledge that they are racist? The people in the US who probably feel the most racism are Asians who work in Black communities. I'm sure Black Dog and cybercoma will shortly inform you that that is not racism, since only white people can be racist Quote
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 Funny enough, I did say 'racist'. I quoted the wrong post. I was responding to this one: ffirmative action in Canada was implemented because liberals here felt guilt over the historic racism and mistreatment of Blacks in the United States. It was never needed here, and isn't needed now. It is reverse racism whose only function is to make liberals feel good about themselves. You said "reverse racist", suggesting two categories: "racist" for things whites do, "reverse racist" for things that are done to whites. The term reverse racism doesn't make a lick of damn sense. Reverse racism would be, like, not racist at all. Quote
Argus Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) You said "reverse racist", suggesting two categories: "racist" for things whites do, "reverse racist" for things that are done to whites. The term reverse racism doesn't make a lick of damn sense. Reverse racism would be, like, not racist at all. Nevertheless it's a popular phrase used by the media all the time. I suppose it's intended to refer to a racist policy which isn't intended to be racist, which is mainly these affirmative action type programs. They try to 'combat racism' against one group by being racist themselves towards another. Edited December 23, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 I'm sure Black Dog and cybercoma will shortly inform you that that is not racism, since only white people can be racist This has been explained to you I'm sure. But I guess snarky drive by posts are easier for you than any substantive rebuttals to race theory. Or perhaps snarky drive by posts are all you have to contribute. Quote
Argus Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 I'm sure Black Dog and cybercoma will shortly inform you that that is not racism, since only white people can be racist The most openly racist people I ever met were the Black men I used to work with long ago when I was doing crappy, low skilled jobs. Oh, none of them expressed racism towards Whites - to me, but boy they sure hated every other minority group, especially Jews, Muslims and Arabs. Africans despised Caribbeans, too, and the same in reverse. And Asians, in my experience, really don't like Blacks. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Posted December 23, 2014 Nevertheless it's a popular phrase used by the media all the time. Never took you for a Fox News man. I suppose it's intended to refer to a racist policy which isn't intended to be racist, which is mainly these affirmative action type programs. They try to 'combat racism' against one group by being racist themselves towards another. I get that's the intent. But when you break it down, it doesn't make sense. Quote
Smallc Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 Because Smallc, the arbiter of all things post-racial, has declared it thus and lo! it was so. I don't see how you've set yourself up any differently. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 And if someone else sees racism in something, you still dismiss it. You've positioned yourself as the sole arbiter of these matters here. Well, yeah. That's the benefit of being white, straight, middle class, and male in society. You get to determine what's valid and what isn't. Even when you're talking about things you have no first-hand experience with, your opinions matter more than others on racism, poverty, homosexuality, abortion, etc. etc. White privilege doesn't exist though because then people might have to recognize that maybe, just maybe, there's no such thing as the "default" experience which is always defined as straight, white, able-bodied and middle class. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 23, 2014 Report Posted December 23, 2014 And you've positioned people who share your chosen view of the arbiter. What makes them more qualified? You really don't get it? We're talking about racism. If you don't think people of minority races in our society have a more valid opinion on whether or not they themselves experience racism than you do, then discussing these things with you is absolutely beyond reason. Quote
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