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Overthere, but their Church seems to me to be rotten to the root rather!

I disagree. The Church has done many great things and helped many, many people through its charitable works. Like any bureaucracy the Church sought to handle things quietly, that's all. No one in any sector of society used to take this stuff seriously, so why should they? They also have a pretty deep core commitment to confession and forgiveness. I have not seen any evidence the abuse of children from Catholic clergy was any worse than from Protestants or Jewish clergy, or from doctors, teachers and bankers.

It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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Cite??

I don't need to offer a cite to prove a negative when you've offered nothing to prove your allegation.

Who cares what lying creep predators think or say?

Just about anyone who has an interest in understanding and controlling them.

It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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The Catholic Church is rotten to the core.

Any other organization that admitted it was thick with the very worst of the worst of criminals would act to publicly clean out all of them.

Which they've done. Do you have any evidence the percentage of Catholic clergy who are pedophiles is higher than in any other profession? Yours, for example?

It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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I disagree. There are plenty of gay men. The gay community prefers younger men, that's all. The whole fixation on body shaving originated in the gay community. Why? Because shaving their body hair made them look more appealing to possible partners.

Except for that whole bear fetish thing, but whatever. Like I said, when less than 10% of the population is actually gay or bisexual, your choice of partners is limited. That's why you'll see larger age gaps. There is nothing about homosexuality that makes gay men prefer younger boys any more than straight men preferring younger girls.
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I don't need to offer a cite to prove a negative when you've offered nothing to prove your allegation.

You pretty much acknowledged it already when you said they "prey on" young adolescents. It's about power and control, not relationships.

Just about anyone who has an interest in understanding and controlling them.

They're criminals. They go to jail.

They can't be fixed.

Gay is irrelevant. The heteros who prey on young adolescents go to jail too.

The allure of 11-14 year olds to the creeps is that they are going through puberty ... fresh, virgin meat.

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Conservative religious types like to pretend the gender of child victims is an indicator of the perpetrator's sexual orientation. That way they can blame homosexuals rather than sick people or their ridiculous rules with respect to sex and celibacy.

"Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire

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Except for that whole bear fetish thing, but whatever. Like I said, when less than 10% of the population is actually gay or bisexual, your choice of partners is limited. That's why you'll see larger age gaps. There is nothing about homosexuality that makes gay men prefer younger boys any more than straight men preferring younger girls.

Yes, there is. There's a cultural acceptance of it within the gay community which does not exist in the heterosexual community, although I admit a large part of the latter is due to women.

That only a small percentage of the world is gay is a silly argument. There are lots of gay people, hundreds of thousands in the Toronto area alone. I'm sure they can find partners.

It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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Conservative religious types like to pretend the gender of child victims is an indicator of the perpetrator's sexual orientation. That way they can blame homosexuals rather than sick people or their ridiculous rules with respect to sex and celibacy.

You're missing the point. Pedophiles might prey on either gender. But all these scandals involve adolescent boys, which makes the men involved something other than pedophiles. It makes them gay.

It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy

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You're missing the point. Pedophiles might prey on either gender. But all these scandals involve adolescent boys, which makes the men involved something other than pedophiles. It makes them gay.

sigh... No, it doesn't. Is this willful ignorance or part of a course at conservative school?

"Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire

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It seems fairly obvious to me. If they do it to kids of the opposite sex, they're heterosexual. If they do it to kids of their own sex, they're homosexual. If they do it to both, they're bisexual.

How come that's a problem?

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It seems fairly obvious to me. If they do it to kids of the opposite sex, they're heterosexual. If they do it to kids of their own sex, they're homosexual. If they do it to both, they're bisexual.

How come that's a problem?

If you think the androgenous bodies of children are somehow linked to the sexual preference of pedophiles then I suggest you do a little reading on the subject. I'm sorry if this is an honest belief...but it has been so well covered yet so completely ignored by conservative religious types that I just assume people spouting statements like these are purposely spreading right wing wishful thinking.

"Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire

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I'm not conservative. I believe all the right things to make me a social liberal. I just don't know why a homosexual can't be a paedophile.

And I don't know why we can't admit that they can be.

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It seems fairly obvious to me. If they do it to kids of the opposite sex, they're heterosexual. If they do it to kids of their own sex, they're homosexual. If they do it to both, they're bisexual.

How come that's a problem?

Many pedophiles are married to women and have children. It's not a gay/straight/bi thing at all.

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I'm not conservative. I believe all the right things to make me a social liberal. I just don't know why a homosexual can't be a paedophile.

And I don't know why we can't admit that they can be.

The sexual preference of pedophiles is children. Gender doesn't matter to them, only availability and silence matter.

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Many pedophiles are married to women and have children. It's not a gay/straight/bi thing at all.

Ya, nice cover story for them, eh?

And what a simple socially acceptable way to acquire child victims!

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Posted

That's the opposite of what you said in the post I was responding to. My fault, I had intended the question to follow it but you got another one in first.

I should quote, but that means opening Mozilla.

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That's the opposite of what you said in the post I was responding to. My fault, I had intended the question to follow it but you got another one in first.

I should quote, but that means opening Mozilla.

Sorry ... I really can't follow what you mean here.

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You're missing the point. Pedophiles might prey on either gender. But all these scandals involve adolescent boys, which makes the men involved something other than pedophiles. It makes them gay.

It makes them sexual predators who have access to boys.

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The sexual preference of pedophiles is children. Gender doesn't matter to them, only availability and silence matter.

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At what age, of the child, would it start to matter?

Do we know?

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That's the opposite of what you said in the post I was responding to. My fault, I had intended the question to follow it but you got another one in first.

I should quote, but that means opening Mozilla.

I opened Mozilla. Sorry for the confusion.

One would assume that, at some age of the victim, their gender would start to matter to the predator. I'm wondering if we know when that is.

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I opened Mozilla. Sorry for the confusion.

One would assume that, at some age of the victim, their gender would start to matter to the predator. I'm wondering if we know when that is.

I guess you'll have to google that.

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