Man kills his daughter. Only gets 60 days!

[jbg]

Because they are hungry?

I'm pro-gay, pro-feminist and pro-choice, and I loathe Islamism.

But I agree with you. I do seem to be unusual in that regard.

Maybe you and I have brains? Beats me, since my IQ is actually 79.

[cybercoma]

It is a bit satyrical. I am making fun of the respect that many on this Board show for brutal and inhumane cultures. For example how can pro-gay, pro-feminist and pro-choice people support Islamism? Almost all do.

Then again why do alligators eat their young?

When you say Islamism, you mean terrorism and there isn't a single person that supports Islamism. What you run into from some people is resistance to labelling all 23% of the world's population that identifies as Muslim as violent radical Islamists.

This man slapped his daughter around. Parents from all religions have done this. Child abuse sadly is not uncommon. There was a case not very long ago where a New Brunswick man murdered his daughter and her boyfriend because he didn't approve of their relationship. How many women who are not Muslim are assaulted, raped, and murdered by their male acquaintances, boyfriends, or husbands? Violence against women is a problem in the West, but it's easy for us to condemn honour killing because that's a problem of others. It's easy to point the finger at others. They're not us. Yet we're not at all reflexive about our own violence.

[Boges]

How many women who are not Muslim are assaulted, raped, and murdered by their male acquaintances, boyfriends, or husbands? Violence against women is a problem in the West, but it's easy for us to condemn honour killing because that's a problem of others. It's easy to point the finger at others. They're not us. Yet we're not at all reflexive about our own violence.

Yep, but culture couldn't be used as a defence if a "westerner" accidentally kills someone in a domestic violence case. Which is the point I've been making all along.

[jbg]

When you say Islamism, you mean terrorism and there isn't a single person that supports Islamism. What you run into from some people is resistance to labelling all 23% of the world's population that identifies as Muslim as violent radical Islamists.

The critical distinction is that an awfully large percentage of the 23% gives succor, comfort and support. The madrassahs that spread this violence have a significant constituency. Among Western Christians and Jews there are violent elements. They are marginal, often living largely "off the grid." This is hardly true of violent Muslim groups.

This man slapped his daughter around. Parents from all religions have done this. Child abuse sadly is not uncommon. There was a case not very long ago where a New Brunswick man murdered his daughter and her boyfriend because he didn't approve of their relationship. How many women who are not Muslim are assaulted, raped, and murdered by their male acquaintances, boyfriends, or husbands? Violence against women is a problem in the West, but it's easy for us to condemn honour killing because that's a problem of others. It's easy to point the finger at others. They're not us. Yet we're not at all reflexive about our own violence.

The problem is that "honour killing" is lightly punished. This thread is "Exhibit A."

[cybercoma]

Yep, but culture couldn't be used as a defence if a "westerner" accidentally kills someone in a domestic violence case. Which is the point I've been making all along.

Now we're dealing with hypotheticals, but I believe if the situation was exactly the same, you would see a similar sentence. I'm saying that as someone who has done extensive research into domestic violence charges and sentencing.

Edited July 2, 2014 by cybercoma

[Boges]

Now we're dealing with hypotheticals, but I believe if the situation was exactly the same, you would see a similar sentence. I'm saying that as someone who has done extensive research into domestic violence charges and sentencing.

NO! I've quoted reports in this thread saying that the man's culture was a contributing factor in the sentence.

http://www.theglobea...rticle18774321/

The case also focused on cultural practices in some immigrant communities. A family friend testified that a slap on the face or buttocks isn’t viewed as a violent act in their community (Mr. Sidime emigrated to Canada from Guinea). The judge agreed that cultural differences could not be ruled out in the case.

The same theme was taken up by Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu, a Conservative senator and advocate for victims’ rights, who addressed the question of cultural values in an interview with a Montreal radio station on Wednesday.

“I don’t know Guinean society, but you can see there is a gap between this culture and Quebec’s,” Mr. Boisvenu told 98.5 FM.

He said hitting a child is a form of violence “and justice must always render exemplary sentences,” noting that the Harper government had invested money to sensitize ethnic communities.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Boges

[cybercoma]

It doesn't matter that his culture was a contributing factor. A parent that accidentally kills their child is not getting much jail time regardless of who they are.

[cybercoma]

As a matter of fact, they often won't even see a trial.

[Boges]

It doesn't matter that his culture was a contributing factor. A parent that accidentally kills their child is not getting much jail time regardless of who they are.

Then why even entertain the idea that his culture was a contributing factor? If what you're saying was true then there would be no need to use it as a defence. . . it was.

Now you're speaking in hypotheticals saying that culture would not have changed the sentence had a WASP done the same thing. We can't no that, all we can know is that it was used as a defence and the judge said the cultural factors could "not be ruled out".

[cybercoma]

If they're looking for an explanation about why he slapped her, then there it is. Slapping your kid is not illegal anyway. It's also not something that you would expect to kill someone. YouTube recently published a playful video of Strangers Slapping Each Other for the First Time in response to the Strangers Kissing Each Other for the First Time video. In any case, a parent who kills their child is rarely going to trial. The only reason this one did is because he slapped her, so it was necessary to explain why.

[cybercoma]

The only times I've seen parents convicted and sentence to lengthy terms was when the case was blatantly intentional but the prosecution maybe didn't have enough evidence to show intent to murder. There was a case where a mother burned down her house in Nova Scotia with her children inside about 20 years ago. That was manslaughter, but come on. You burn down your house with your kids inside--that's obviously intentional.