This Calls For Another US/Nato Visa Ban of a Russian! LOL

[monty16]

http://rt.com/business/160068-china-russia-gas-deal/

The question is, will a visa ban on some Russians change Putin's (read Russia here) mind and make him be nice? Will he (Russia( be able to keep up the supply of nat gas to the Ukraine and Europe after making this huge commitment to China?

One thing we are sure of, because we are told by the Americans, is that Russia is going to suffer more economically because of it's outright gaul of protecting it's interests in the Crimea!

[monty16]

And here's another story from RT that just has to be propaganda right?

http://rt.com/news/161044-ukraine-helicopter-checkpoint-attack/

Something that has to be ignored or counterspun maybe? In their lust to kill they send their helicopters after their own military and civilians.

Strong like bull, smart like tractor!

[WWWTT]

Ya this is part of the rebuilding of the Golden Silk Road (or something like that)

I started a similar thread some time ago, but the participants here don't want to hear about how the US petro dollar is going down the toilet!

This deal opens the door for Iran and India into this trade partnership.

This is very troubling for the US whom has had a huge partnership with Saudi Arabia.

Also sheds light on Al Qaida and where they get their funding (notice that they never attack Israel).

Puts Canada in a real tricky spot actually.

WWWTT

[Big Guy]

http://rt.com/business/160068-china-russia-gas-deal/

The question is, will a visa ban on some Russians change Putin's (read Russia here) mind and make him be nice? Will he (Russia( be able to keep up the supply of nat gas to the Ukraine and Europe after making this huge commitment to China?

One thing we are sure of, because we are told by the Americans, is that Russia is going to suffer more economically because of it's outright gaul of protecting it's interests in the Crimea!

Countries have trade agreements and trade with each other because it is beneficial to both. I assume that by imposing economic sanctions on a country that the boycotting nation is indicating that it is prepared to apply economic pain on itself to inflict economic pain on the other. Looks like not too many countries are prepared to do that to Russia. In this time of volatile swings in global economics is it wise to chance another global recession? What would that prove?

It appears that the Crimea situation is finished and no one really expects the Crimea to once again be part of Ukraine.

I think that soon, without fanfare, we will see those "people sanctions" on Russian billionaires removed and Russia again accepted by many Western countries as "good guys".

[monty16]

Countries have trade agreements and trade with each other because it is beneficial to both. I assume that by imposing economic sanctions on a country that the boycotting nation is indicating that it is prepared to apply economic pain on itself to inflict economic pain on the other. Looks like not too many countries are prepared to do that to Russia. In this time of volatile swings in global economics is it wise to chance another global recession? What would that prove?

It appears that the Crimea situation is finished and no one really expects the Crimea to once again be part of Ukraine.

I think that soon, without fanfare, we will see those "people sanctions" on Russian billionaires removed and Russia again accepted by many Western countries as "good guys".

I think he US thought it could pull this off against Russia and may have guessed wrong. However, we need to think of what that implies. First of all, a redundancy of Nato and that's rather unlikely. And secondly, I don't believe that the US is going to stop it's global power grab. All those weapons won't be going to waste and they being a threat to Russia or China to not begin their own expansionist power grab doesn't seem like a good enough reason at this point in time.

There is a move afoot in the US to convince the world that it is going to be self-sufficient in petroleum based products. I don't believe it! Russia is oil rich and we should also know that freeing up oil that is under state control is one huge reason for their wars.

In my opinion the demonization of Russia will continue in earnest now that the US has succeeded at least in part of convincing at least a part of the world that Russia is the bad guy. We can pretty safely say that Venezuela won't be left to it's own resources either.

I think it won't take long to find if I'm right or not. Perhaps soon after the election the supposed troubles with Russia's interference will be manufactured. It will only take a keen eye to see what is really happening.

Your thoughts on this? And escalation of a new cold war of sorts or peaceful coexistence with Russia?

[monty16]

Ya this is part of the rebuilding of the Golden Silk Road (or something like that)

I started a similar thread some time ago, but the participants here don't want to hear about how the US petro dollar is going down the toilet!

This deal opens the door for Iran and India into this trade partnership.

This is very troubling for the US whom has had a huge partnership with Saudi Arabia.

Also sheds light on Al Qaida and where they get their funding (notice that they never attack Israel).

Puts Canada in a real tricky spot actually.

WWWTT

Absolutely! A spot that Canada will not have any will to extract itself from. At least not with the Harper government. A Liberal government could have the will but maybe not the way, however we can remember back to when Chretien shoved it in their faces and didn't oblige them with their phony Iraq war. Who knows? Sadly, the NDP has shown no determination to take the high road and has even aided the Harper government in the NDP's rush to defeat the Liberals.

I'm not getting your comment on Israel. Please explain.

[Big Guy]

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Your thoughts on this? And escalation of a new cold war of sorts or peaceful coexistence with Russia?

I try not to look at nations as either good or bad. Generally, the leaders of each nation try to do what they feel is best for their nation – sometimes at the cost to other nations. I also believe that the vast majority of humans are basically decent individuals who have to be “energized” to support the decisions of their leaders. I am old enough to remember the “slant eyed yellow menace” and “the blood thirsty Hun” posters of the second world war and lived long enough to see the subsequent change where Canadians are standing in line, hat in hand, applying for a job in a Japanese or German owned manufacturing plant in Canada.

I also try to look at conflicts like viewing a chess game. Any one move is the physical manifestation of a long term strategy that can be forced to change. Putin saw his Crimean port in danger and did something to stop it. The West, led by USA and NATO had to react. Silly sanctions were applied for political cover and a lot of sabre rattling took place. The changes that were started by the revolution in Kiev have become permanent and I see no need for increasing or continuing tensions between Russia and the West led by the USA. Each side will proclaim victory and go home.

Already the elections will bring some stability to what is left of Ukraine but the new government in Kiev still has a major problem in the East and South. I do not think that Russia is prepared to make those problems worse.

It is not in the long term interests for the West to encourage an economic alliance between China and Russia with the exclusion of the EU and North America.

I think that Putin will recognize the new government in Kiev. The USA and NATO will call off the dogs, Russia will make some kind of peace overture through some pro-West pronouncement involving North Korea or Syria or Iran or ...

The super powers will continue to strut around, the chess board for this game will be cleared, the board set up for a new game and away we go!

As a final to a long winded reply, I believe that “peaceful coexistence with Russia” will continue.

But, only time will tell.

Thanks for asking.

[monty16]

I try not to look at nations as either good or bad. Generally, the leaders of each nation try to do what they feel is best for their nation – sometimes at the cost to other nations. I also believe that the vast majority of humans are basically decent individuals who have to be “energized” to support the decisions of their leaders. I am old enough to remember the “slant eyed yellow menace” and “the blood thirsty Hun” posters of the second world war and lived long enough to see the subsequent change where Canadians are standing in line, hat in hand, applying for a job in a Japanese or German owned manufacturing plant in Canada.

I also try to look at conflicts like viewing a chess game. Any one move is the physical manifestation of a long term strategy that can be forced to change. Putin saw his Crimean port in danger and did something to stop it. The West, led by USA and NATO had to react. Silly sanctions were applied for political cover and a lot of sabre rattling took place. The changes that were started by the revolution in Kiev have become permanent and I see no need for increasing or continuing tensions between Russia and the West led by the USA. Each side will proclaim victory and go home.

Already the elections will bring some stability to what is left of Ukraine but the new government in Kiev still has a major problem in the East and South. I do not think that Russia is prepared to make those problems worse.

It is not in the long term interests for the West to encourage an economic alliance between China and Russia with the exclusion of the EU and North America.

I think that Putin will recognize the new government in Kiev. The USA and NATO will call off the dogs, Russia will make some kind of peace overture through some pro-West pronouncement involving North Korea or Syria or Iran or ...

The super powers will continue to strut around, the chess board for this game will be cleared, the board set up for a new game and away we go!

As a final to a long winded reply, I believe that “peaceful coexistence with Russia” will continue.

But, only time will tell.

Thanks for asking.

Thank you for your answer, as optimistic as it is! I feel that trouble will continue in the Ukraine and the US and Russia will continue to be at odds over it. If I'm right and that happens then it will only be up to everyone who is interested to decide on who is prolonging it. Personally, I know it will continue and I know which side will be pursuing more trouble.

You see, I have to be honest and consider the reason why it all started in the first place. Your words on Putin protecting his Crimea interests lead me to understand that you're not unaware of the facts as they developed.