Was Arafat poisoned? If so by who?

[Guest Peeves]

Perhaps he was, but Israel promised never to do it, so, who would?

I think it more likely to have been someone in his political arena. He did have enemies. Obviously Israel would be aware they would be a prime suspect. till, will we ever know? Even if they find that he was poisoned with radioactive material...who dunnit?

http://news.national...-poison-report/

[DogOnPorch]

Perhaps he was, but Israel promised never to do it, so, who would?

I think it more likely to have been someone in his political arena. He did have enemies. Obviously Israel would be aware they would be a prime suspect. till, will we ever know? Even if they find that he was poisoned with radioactive material...who dunnit?

http://news.national...-poison-report/

At this point, they'll find what they want to find. Arafat dying of AIDS never did sit well with his supporters who need him for a poster boy at times. So if they can turn him into an assassination victim at the hands of the evil Zionists...goal scored!

Edited October 21, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Guest Peeves]

Israel could have taken Arafat out anytime they wanted. Arafat possibly had aids, for sure he was veryyyyyyy rich.

[wyly]

Israel could have taken Arafat out anytime they wanted. Arafat possibly had aids, for sure he was veryyyyyyy rich.

naive, it would only be the zionists...

[Guest Peeves]

naive, it would only be the zionists...

Obviously, to you.

[wyly]

Obviously, to you.

and everyone else, you'd be alone on this ...maybe you could find some truthers and birthers to join your cause...

[DogOnPorch]

and everyone else, you'd be alone on this ...maybe you could find some truthers and birthers to join your cause...

Seeing that it was Arafat's wife that REFUSED the initial autopsy when he died and is now the one WANTING to dig him up and poke at him years later, one has to wonder the motives.

[Guest American Woman]

Seeing that it was Arafat's wife that REFUSED the initial autopsy when he died and is now the one WANTING to dig him up and poke at him years later, one has to wonder the motives.

I found that really odd, too; she refuses an autopsy at the time, when most people would want one given the circumstances, yet years later brings his underwear and toothbush in to be tested? What's up with that? In the meantime, he becomes a martyr - killed by Israelis.

[DogOnPorch]

I found that really odd, too; she refuses an autopsy at the time, when most people would want one given the circumstances, yet years later brings his underwear and toothbush in to be tested? What's up with that? In the meantime, he becomes a martyr - killed by Israelis.

Here's one from al Jazeera. Wear your hip waders. She's doing it for the kids.

Edited October 22, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Guest Peeves]

http://www.haaretz.c...racked-1.448790

Haaretz gives credit to Al Jazeera.

Thanks to Al-Jazeera, the mystery of Arafat's death may finally be cracked

It's a very interesting read..here's bit

The report also explicitly pointed out that Arafat's wife Suha, who gave an emotional interview to Al-Jazeera on Tuesday, refused to let the doctors conduct a liver biopsy in his final days. It's not clear why.

Every senior Palestinian official interviewed in the investigation claimed that Israel poisoned Arafat. This claim requires special examination, of course, because of the political implications. Nevertheless, everyone we spoke to on the Israeli side has vehemently denied the accusations. Not with a smile, nor even with half of a smile. Everybody, without exception, claimed that this was complete nonsense.

With all these accusations, we must remember that in November 2004, there was no Israeli interest in killing Arafat. Abu Amar (Arafat), by the way, was isolated, weak, and in many ways, irrelevant. In addition, a former Israeli official emphasized that the Israeli government had promised the American administration not to turn him into a shaheed (martyr).

[Guest American Woman]

Yes, I had read that. For the children For the rest of the world, too, apparently. I wonder why she didn't care about the rest of the world 8 years ago? And now she's so sure he was murdered - as it apparently didn't even cross her mind at the time. Good thing she kept his toothbrush and underwear all this time. She claims that she never believed that he died of natural causes, yet she didn't want an autopsy. "It was so much complicated." Yet digging him up 8 years later isn't?

[Guest Peeves]

Here's one from al Jazeera. Wear your hip waders. She's doing it for the kids.

With what she inherited I hope Columbo has her on the short list.

Anyway, better he should have died in utero.

[Guest Peeves]

Yes, I had read that. For the children For the rest of the world, too, apparently. I wonder why she didn't care about the rest of the world 8 years ago? And now she's so sure he was murdered - as it apparently didn't even cross her mind at the time. Good thing she kept his toothbrush and underwear all this time. She claims that she never believed that he died of natural causes, yet she didn't want an autopsy. "It was so much complicated." Yet digging him up 8 years later isn't?

Her interview was a masterful example of running the interviewer in circles. He tried.

[Guest American Woman]

Her interview was a masterful example of running the interviewer in circles. He tried.

He did try. But she outright lied in the interview. She said "no body suggested an autopsy" at the time, but she refused one.

An autopsy might have answered the mystery, but Mrs. Arafat refused to allow one, Dr. Kurdi said. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/international/middleeast/08arafat.html?_r=0&pagewanted=all

[bud]

At this point, they'll find what they want to find. Arafat dying of AIDS never did sit well with his supporters who need him for a poster boy at times.

are you purposely spreading misinformation or are you a simpleton who repeats whatever that you deem to be anti-palestinian without actually looking into it?

the AIDS myth was debunked years ago, but you're still repeating it?

NYT - 2005

news accounts during Arafat's illness made him strongly suspect that Arafat had AIDS. But after studying the records, he said that was improbable, given the sudden onset of the intestinal troubles.

So if they can turn him into an assassination victim at the hands of the evil Zionists...goal scored!

why would it be far fetched to suspect israel to be behind poisoning arafat? you mean to tell me that israel and mossad do not engage in assassinations? they're the masters of assassinations and there are many reasons to believe that israel would be behind the assassination of arafat.

[DogOnPorch]

are you purposely spreading misinformation or are you a simpleton who repeats whatever that you deem to be anti-palestinian without actually looking into it?

the AIDS myth was debunked years ago, but you're still repeating it?

NYT - 2005

news accounts during Arafat's illness made him strongly suspect that Arafat had AIDS. But after studying the records, he said that was improbable, given the sudden onset of the intestinal troubles.

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why would it be far fetched to suspect israel to be behind poisoning arafat? you mean to tell me that israel and mossad do not engage in assassinations? they're the masters of assassinations and there are many reasons to believe that israel would be behind the assassination of arafat.

I already know YOU think evil Zionists did it.

[bud]

I already know YOU think evil Zionists did it.

not sure why you think it's funny or why you're trying to make it seem like it would be far fetched in suspecting israel to be behind this. i think it's highly likely they were behind it since they have a history of assassinating people. any sensible person would have the same conclusion. first though, i am interested in seeing the report which will tell us whether he was poisoned and with what.

by the way, i'm not holding my breath, but i hope you won't repeat another myth (arafat had AIDS), since it's already been established that the rumours have been debunked. it's important that we learn not to continue to spread misinformation once its been established that it's misinformation.

Edited October 23, 2012 by bud

[DogOnPorch]

by the way, i'm not holding my breath, but i hope you won't repeat another myth (arafat had AIDS), since it's already been established that the rumours have been debunked. it's important that we learn not to continue to spread misinformation once its been established that it's misinformation.

Nothing about Arafat has been debunked. His supporters were and remain uncomfortable with the results and...much like the conflict itself...now want a do-over as to obtain different results. You're apparently part of this phenomena.

[Guest Peeves]

are you purposely spreading misinformation or are you a simpleton who repeats whatever that you deem to be anti-palestinian without actually looking into it?

the AIDS myth was debunked years ago, but you're still repeating it?

NYT - 2005

news accounts during Arafat's illness made him strongly suspect that Arafat had AIDS. But after studying the records, he said that was improbable, given the sudden onset of the intestinal troubles.

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why would it be far fetched to suspect israel to be behind poisoning arafat? you mean to tell me that israel and mossad do not engage in assassinations? they're the masters of assassinations and there are many reasons to believe that israel would be behind the assassination of arafat.

While true Mossad * has on occasion selectively eliminated targets at that time Arafat was hardly a target for a Mossad. More likely at that stage of his 'rule' he'd be targeted from within the PLO for his corruption.

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* leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim , is the national intelligence agency of Israel.

The Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection, covert operations, and counterterrorism, as well as bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities worldwide. It is one of the main entities in the Israeli Intelligence Community, along with Aman (military intelligence) and Shin Bet (internal security), but its director reports directly to the Prime Minister.

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But really, "masters of assassination." bit of hyperbole there old boy.

As for you nebulous at best, spurious most likely, claim that.." and there are many reasons to believe that israel would be behind the assassination of arafat." where are the reasons for Israel to violate the promise not to kill him that was on the record, or any other reason at the time when he was ineffectual, old, decrepit,powerless pretty much and dying anyway? Not to mention not in the good graces of many Arabs of the region.

Methinks thou dost exaggerate for dramatic license aka pure b/s.

[Guest American Woman]

not sure why you think it's funny or why you're trying to make it seem like it would be far fetched in suspecting israel to be behind this. i think it's highly likely they were behind it since they have a history of assassinating people. any sensible person would have the same conclusion.

Let's look at the timeline here. Arafat's wife refuses an autopsy at the time of his death. Why? Who knows. All the speculation out there, and she refuses an autopsy. Now, 8 years later, suddenly she has his belongings tested for poison; she's even kept his toothbrush all of these years. Now she wants the world to know the truth. Now. 8 years later. And surprise, surprise - his belongings test positive for poison. Now all that's to be done is to exhume his body to see if he tests positive for it, too. So. 8 years have passed. Let's say his body doesn't test positive, which is what I would expect. But 8 years have passed. So in light of the results on his personal belongings, it's attributed to the time that has passed by those who want to believe that Israel murdered him. So Israel is still guilty, for all practical purposes. After all, all of these doubts and accusations have been put out there, and that's all it takes for so many to believe. But let's say his body is never exhumed, for whatever reason whoever comes up with - the 'guilt' is still out there - he was murdered, by Israel, of course; his belongings are the proof. Sort of explains why the Mrs. would wait 8 years to put this out there. The poison on the clothes could be new, but of course suffices to raise doubts and back up the claim of murder; a claim too many will willingly believe as proof that Israel murdered Arafat.

first though, i am interested in seeing the report which will tell us whether he was poisoned and with what.

What if his body is tested and it comes up negative? Or what if his body isn't exhumed? What will you believe then?

At any rate, if it does, by chance, turn out that there is conclusive evidence that he was murdered, as Peeves pointed out, he had a few enemies within the PLO. So no, "any sensible person" wouldn't conclude that Israel was responsible. It would serve a double purpose if his enemies within the PLO murdered him - he would be gone, and the buds of the world would conclude that Israel has to be the guilty party, so Israel looks bad.

Edited October 23, 2012 by American Woman

[wyly]

While true Mossad * has on occasion selectively eliminated targets at that time Arafat was hardly a target for a Mossad. More likely at that stage of his 'rule' he'd be targeted from within the PLO for his corruption.

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* leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim , is the national intelligence agency of Israel.

The Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection, covert operations, and counterterrorism, as well as bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities worldwide. It is one of the main entities in the Israeli Intelligence Community, along with Aman (military intelligence) and Shin Bet (internal security), but its director reports directly to the Prime Minister.

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But really, "masters of assassination." bit of hyperbole there old boy.

As for you nebulous at best, spurious most likely, claim that.." and there are many reasons to believe that israel would be behind the assassination of arafat." where are the reasons for Israel to violate the promise not to kill him that was on the record, or any other reason at the time when he was ineffectual, old, decrepit,powerless pretty much and dying anyway? Not to mention not in the good graces of many Arabs of the region.

Methinks thou dost exaggerate for dramatic license aka pure b/s.

"on occasion"? "hyperbole"? "exaggerated"? wowzer you're selectively naive...

here's an assassination list from wiki...among the assassinated a canadian Gerald Bull

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

Edited October 23, 2012 by wyly

[bud]

Nothing about Arafat has been debunked. His supporters were and remain uncomfortable with the results and...much like the conflict itself...now want a do-over as to obtain different results. You're apparently part of this phenomena.

it's weird that you're able to post one misinformation after another.

the cause of his illness and death has always been 'unknown'. so how will you react if the results of the autopsy show that he was poisoned? let me guess, you will do what you usually do when you've been proven to be wrong; pretend it didn't happen and make sure to repeat the false assertions you've been wrong about before.

[DogOnPorch]

Let's look at the timeline here. Arafat's wife refuses an autopsy at the time of his death. Why? Who knows. All the speculation out there, and she refuses an autopsy. Now, 8 years later, suddenly she has his belongings tested for poison; she's even kept his toothbrush all of these years. Now she wants the world to know the truth. Now. 8 years later. And surprise, surprise - his belongings test positive for poison. Now all that's to be done is to exhume his body to see if he tests positive for it, too. So. 8 years have passed. Let's say his body doesn't test positive, which is what I would expect. But 8 years have passed. So in light of the results on his personal belongings, it's attributed to the time that has passed by those who want to believe that Israel murdered him. So Israel is still guilty, for all practical purposes. After all, all of these doubts and accusations have been put out there, and that's all it takes for so many to believe. But let's say his body is never exhumed, for whatever reason whoever comes up with - the 'guilt' is still out there - he was murdered, by Israel, of course; his belongings are the proof. Sort of explains why the Mrs. would wait 8 years to put this out there. The poison on the clothes could be new, but of course suffices to raise doubts and back up the claim of murder; a claim too many will willingly believe as proof that Israel murdered Arafat.

What if his body is tested and it comes up negative? Or what if his body isn't exhumed? What will you believe then?

At any rate, if it does, by chance, turn out that there is conclusive evidence that he was murdered, as Peeves pointed out, he had a few enemies within the PLO. So no, "any sensible person" wouldn't conclude that Israel was responsible. It would serve a double purpose if his enemies within the PLO murdered him - he would be gone, and the buds of the world would conclude that Israel has to be the guilty party, so Israel looks bad.

Bingo. Couldn't have said it better me self.

Drum keeps pounding rhythm to the band...la dee da dee dee...la dee da dee da...the Beat Goes On.

[DogOnPorch]

it's weird that you're able to post one misinformation after another.

the cause of his illness and death has always been 'unknown'. so how will you react if the results of the autopsy show that he was poisoned? let me guess, you will do what you usually do when you've been proven to be wrong; pretend it didn't happen and make sure to repeat the false assertions you've been wrong about before.

Yer the one diggin' up corpses, hombre.

[bud]

Let's look at the timeline here. Arafat's wife refuses an autopsy at the time of his death. Why? Who knows. All the speculation out there, and she refuses an autopsy. Now, 8 years later, suddenly she has his belongings tested for poison; she's even kept his toothbrush all of these years. Now she wants the world to know the truth. Now. 8 years later. And surprise, surprise - his belongings test positive for poison. Now all that's to be done is to exhume his body to see if he tests positive for it, too. So. 8 years have passed. Let's say his body doesn't test positive, which is what I would expect. But 8 years have passed. So in light of the results on his personal belongings, it's attributed to the time that has passed by those who want to believe that Israel murdered him. So Israel is still guilty, for all practical purposes. After all, all of these doubts and accusations have been put out there, and that's all it takes for so many to believe. But let's say his body is never exhumed, for whatever reason whoever comes up with - the 'guilt' is still out there - he was murdered, by Israel, of course; his belongings are the proof. Sort of explains why the Mrs. would wait 8 years to put this out there. The poison on the clothes could be new, but of course suffices to raise doubts and back up the claim of murder; a claim too many will willingly believe as proof that Israel murdered Arafat.

i agree. his wife's refusal to do an autopsy right away seems a bit odd since there was no evidence on the cause of death. but their request came after a separate investigation in 2010 by a swiss lab found polonium in his clothes. same poison used to kill the russian spy, litvinenko.

“The Al-Jazeera investigation that revealed abnormally high doses of polonium on Arafat’s clothes prodded me to search for the whole truth about the death of my husband,” Suha Arafat told French daily le Figaro Wednesday. “I didn’t even want to think about the possibility of poisoning—it was dangerous to make the claim without proof… [but] after the conclusions of the Swiss laboratory, I went into action.”

Nagging questions and puzzling details are central to the request for the new examination. As Mrs. Arafat notes in her le Figaro interview, she and other interested parties were stunned to learn that in 2008, the French hospital that had cared for her husband prior to his death destroyed all blood and urine samples taken from him during his treatment. That decision strikes some observers as overly hasty given the 10-year window of opportunity in France that family members have to petition for new inquiries into the unsolved deaths of loved ones.

“On top of that, Arafat was a head of state — not just any old patient,” his wife said in her interview. “It’s surprising that a sovereign country like France doesn’t know the cause of death of a head of state who’d been treated in one of its hospitals… That’s the reason why I’m asking in the case for the declassification of the medical report. There’s surely a complete copy of it in the archives somewhere in France.”

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What if his body is tested and it comes up negative? Or what if his body isn't exhumed? What will you believe then?

i never asserted that he was poisoned by israel. you should pay attention. what i said was that any reasonable person should suspect israel as they have a history of assassinating leaders by many different ways, including by poisoning. the KGB, CIA and mossad all possess poisons that leave no routinely detectable trace. so yes, it's reasonable to believe that israel could be behind poisoning arafat. wouldn't you agree?

in the 90's, hamas' leader was poisoned by mossad and after an ultimatum by king hussain mossad was forced to give the antidote.

On 25 September 1997, Mashal was the target of an assassination attempt carried out by the Israeli Mossad under orders from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his security cabinet. The assassination was intended as retaliation to the 1997 Mahane Yehuda Market Bombings.

The Mossad agents waited at the entrance of the Hamas offices in Amman, with the intention of assassinating Khalid Mashal. At the time of the assassination attempt Mashal was considered Hamas' Jordanian branch chief. Two Mossad agents carrying Canadian passports entered Jordan, where Mashal was living. As Mashal walked into his office, one of the agents came up from behind and held a device to Mashal's left ear that transmitted a fast-acting poison.

However, immediately afterwards, Khalid Mashal's personal chauffeur and a security guard intervened. The chauffeur, who saw what was happening, hit the agent with a newspaper on his hand. The security guard began to chase the agents, and was able to note the license plate number of the car in which they had escaped, and boarded a passing car in order to pursue them. The agents were unaware that they were being followed. After some 300 meters, they stopped their car and left it. The security guard chased them and, with the help of a plainclothes policeman, managed to overpower and apprehend them. The agents were driven by the policeman and the security guard in a taxi to the nearest police station, and placed under arrest.

Immediately after the incident, Jordan's King Hussein demanded that Benjamin Netanyahu turn over the antidote for the poison. At first Netanyahu refused, but as the incident grew in political significance, American President Bill Clinton intervened and compelled Netanyahu to turn over the antidote. The Head of the Mossad, Danny Yatom, flew to Jordan, with the Prime Minister's consent, bringing with him an antidote to treat Khalid Mashal.

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ariel sharon had always wanted to kill arafat. this is no secret. he's even talked about 'arafat having no insurance policy'. the only reason arafat wasn't killed in his compound, where he was surrounded by israeli military was because of the assurance sharon made to bush. it's understandable how an open assassination would strictly forbidden by the americans.

At any rate, if it does, by chance, turn out that there is conclusive evidence that he was murdered, as Peeves pointed out, he had a few enemies within the PLO. So no, "any sensible person" wouldn't conclude that Israel was responsible.

any sensible person would conclude that israel is a prime suspect.

It would serve a double purpose if his enemies within the PLO murdered him - he would be gone, and the buds of the world would conclude that Israel has to be the guilty party, so Israel looks bad.

israel doesn't need my help or anyone else's help to look bad.

as it has been mentioned, israel violates international law and assassinates or attempts to assassinate people all the time. anyone with any knowledge of israel knows this.

they're not that great at hiding it either. they've been caught red handed a few times. most recently, the debacle in the UAE where all the agents and their fake passports were identified.

Edited October 23, 2012 by bud