Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 If you think about it, in Canada, there's no reason why you can't abort a child anytime before it becomes self aware. A year old should probably be the cut-off. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 People can abort a baby on the due date or after legally in Canada. Choice is awesome. No they can't. You can't actually have an abortion on your due date. You don't seem to know what an abortion is if you think that. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 No they can't. You can't actually have an abortion on your due date. You don't seem to know what an abortion is if you think that. Why cant they? It's perfectly legal in Canada to abort even on your due date. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Why cant they? It's perfectly legal in Canada to abort even on your due date. Because you cannot perform an abortion when someone is that close to being due. It's not possible. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 Because you cannot perform an abortion when someone is that close to being due. It's not possible. Show me where it states that it is illegal. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Show me where it states that it is illegal. I didn't say it was illegal. I said you can't do it. Edited October 8, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) I didn't say it was illegal. I said you can't do it. It's perfectly legal to have an abortion on the mothers due date. They reach up kill the baby and pull it out in pieces, the same way they do every other abortion. pro choicers don't think a baby is a living being until it takes a breath. Edited October 8, 2012 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 In any case, you keep coming in here running with these arguments about doctors killing fetuses the moment before they're born. I've already posted the numbers on it above. You show me any case where a woman has had an abortion on demand late into the third trimester here in Canada. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 It's perfectly legal to have an abortion on the mothers due date. They reach up kill the baby and pull it out in pieces, the same way they do every other abortion. pro choicers don't think a baby is a living being until it takes a breath. Prove it. Show me one example of that happening. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Prove it. Show me one example of that happening. Dialation and curettage In a D&C abortion, usually performed between seven and twelve weeks of pregnancy, the doctor inserts a curette, a loop-shaped steel knife, into the womb through the dilated cervix. As the curette scrapes the wall of the uterus, the baby is cut into pieces. Bleeding can be considerable. As with a suction abortion, there is a risk of infection or hemorrhage, so the abortionist must reassemble the body parts to make sure the uterus is empty. Dialation and Evacuation. This method is similar to a D&C, except that forceps must be used to grasp the baby's body because of the child's advanced development. The baby is dismembered as the abortionist twists and tears the parts of the body and slices the placenta away from the uterus. Bleeding is profuse. Although relatively safe for the mother, the procedure is devastating to the hospital staff and many doctors refuse to do advanced D&E abortions. SourceThere you go. I gave you two examples of abortion involving dismemberment. Edited October 8, 2012 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the definitions. Give me one example of this being performed in Canada. Just to be clear here the 7 to 12 week abortion is not what we're talking about. You were talking in your posts above about abortions occurring at 40 weeks. We're talking third trimester here. I'm waiting for even one instance of an abortion occurring even the week before delivery for on demand purposes and not a medical emergency. Edited October 8, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the definitions. Give me one example of this being performed in Canada. Are women's abortions posted in the daily news each and every time it happens? I don't think they keep such statistics. It's an approved method in Canada so to say it doesn't happen is absurd. You asked to prove that it exists. I've dome that now you want me to prove it happens in Canada? Do your own research and stop moving the goal posts. Shoe me where it says that it is illegal i n Canada to have an abortion on a woman's due date. I say it's legal you say it doesn't happen. I don't care how often it's happening. I am concerned that it is legal to perform one at the due date. Edited October 8, 2012 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Are women's abortions posted in the daily news each and every time it happens? I don't think they keep such statistics. It's an approved method in Canada so to say it doesn't happen is absurd. You asked to prove that it exists. I've dome that now you want me to prove it happens in Canada? Do your own research and stop moving the goal posts. Shoe me where it says that it is illegal i n Canada to have an abortion on a woman's due date. Abortion numbers collected by StatsCan have been posted in this thread. I'll help you out. Women don't have abortions on demand in Canada in their third trimester, let alone immediately prior to delivery, regardless of the legality. All of your indignation is for a problem that doesn't exist. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 Abortion numbers collected by StatsCan have been posted in this thread. I'll help you out. Women don't have abortions on demand in Canada in their third trimester, let alone immediately prior to delivery, regardless of the legality. All of your indignation is for a problem that doesn't exist. Why not? it's not illegal and according to the prochoice camp a baby even at due date isn't a human being yet. Right? About 1% of all abortions each year are after 20 weeks or 6 months or pregnancy. That's about 1,000 abortions a year performed at 6 months or later. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Besides when the abortion happens shouldn't really matter to you anyway. If you're against it morally, then you should be against it whether it happens at 6 weeks or 30 weeks. The only reason you're bringing up this nonsense about women having abortions the day they're due is because you're trying to play on people's emotions. So, you use an example of something that doesn't ever happen. It's not a realistic picture of what abortion looks like in Canada. You're being completely disingenuous. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Why not? it's not illegal and according to the prochoice camp a baby even at due date isn't a human being yet. Right?A baby is a human being at the time of conception.About 1% of all abortions each year are after 20 weeks or 6 months or pregnancy.Keep digging into those numbers. Roughly 90% of those abortions happen between 20-23 weeks. Viability is considered the 24th week. Around 0.1% of abortions happen after that. Of those (0.1%) abortions, nearly all of them are for medical reasons. Edited October 8, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 A baby is a human being at the time of conception. Pro choicers believe that life doesn't begin at conception and doesn't begin until the first breath. Keep digging into those numbers. Roughly 90% of those abortions happen between 20-23 weeks. Viability is considered the 24th week. Around 0.1% of abortions happen after that. Of those (0.1%) abortions, nearly all of them are for medical reasons. It still is not illegal no matter how you skew the facts. Any Doctor in Canada can perform an abortion at nine months legally. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Guest Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) It's true. Just because it doesn't happen doesn't mean it's illegal. In Canada, the foetus turns into a human when it has left the mom. So if you want to abort when it's half way out, and you can find a doctor to do it, the only people you will annoy might be the grandparents. Edited October 8, 2012 by bcsapper Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 It's true. Just because it doesn't happen doesn't mean it's illegal. In Canada, the foetus turns into a human when it has left the mom. So if you want to abort when it's half way out, and you can find a doctor to do it, the only people you will annoy might the let down grandparents. Yes, most everything I post is based on truth. It's the reason why the socialists on this board are always so angry with me. I expose what they don't want exposed. At some level I am sure they wish I was silenced so that their secrets may remain just that....secret. I play a dangerous game but it's the people I care about. I must expose the truth. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
jbg Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 People are allowed to give up a baby for adoption / foster care after it's born. Why not before? I couldn't agree more but I'm considered some errant judge may not see it that way. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 I didn't say it was illegal. I said you can't do it. Ask Dr. Morgentaler. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Besides when the abortion happens shouldn't really matter to you anyway. If you're against it morally, then you should be against it whether it happens at 6 weeks or 30 weeks. I disagree with that. Morals are based on personal perception and theres a big difference between how people percieve a clump of cells, and an advanced fetus with eyes, ears, fingers, etc. Thats just how human morality is. Its not a set of absolute rules. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 I couldn't agree more but I'm considered some errant judge may not see it that way. That should never be before a judge in the first place. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Pro choicers believe that life doesn't begin at conception and doesn't begin until the first breath. It still is not illegal no matter how you skew the facts. Any Doctor in Canada can perform an abortion at nine months legally. Pro choicers believe that life doesn't begin at conception and doesn't begin until the first breath. You know its pretty sad that you would keep repeating this crap. The vast majority of people understand that a fetus is human. Any Doctor in Canada can perform an abortion at nine months legally. Very few would, but in any case its really none of your business. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 You know its pretty sad that you would keep repeating this crap. The vast majority of people understand that a fetus is human. No, you're wrong. pro Choice people refuse to acknowledge a baby within a woman as a human being, even at 9 months pregnant. They feel that any woman should be able to abort a baby even at thier due date as it is their right. Very few would, but in any case its really none of your business. Of course it is. They are having abortions using my tax dollars which makes it my business. They live in my community which makes it my business. Anything that impacts society is all of our business. This was made clear by Michael Hardner in the discussion about Tolerance in schools. If they want to abort 9 month old babies they can pay for it themselves. Bottom line is that anything that uses my tax dollars is my business. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
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