Thinking of Thanksgiving.

[Guest Peeves]

Canada has been lucky and wise. Our country lucked out by having Britain as the 'parent' and the USA as our neighbor.

So many benefits have accrued from those factors. Imagine had France prevailed and we faced the likes of those with an inferiority complex with paranoid tendencies and political whining as the separatists.

Imagine had we Mexico instead of the USA as a neighbor.

I give an early, THANKS!

Edited September 23, 2012 by Peeves

[waldo]

Imagine had France prevailed and we faced the likes of those with an inferiority complex with paranoid tendencies and political whining as the separatists.

uhhhh..... if something prevails... do the perceived traits/conditions you attribute to the un-prevailed state, still hold?

[bleeding heart]

Imagine had France prevailed and we faced the likes of those with an inferiority complex with paranoid tendencies and political whining as the separatists.

As Waldo has implied, this is nonsensical. If "France had prevailed," then separatists (were there any) would potentially be of the Anglo variety.

[Guest Manny]

Oh you relativists... here you go again!

Can't we just say "Thank you Canada, I am comfortable and well fed." <Burp...>

[Guest American Woman]

Canada has been lucky and wise. Our country lucked out by having Britain as the 'parent' and the USA as our neighbor.

Why, thank you. And please accept my early best wishes for a happy Thanksgiving (a week from tomorrow, right?). again.

[The_Squid]

Sweden has the best neighbours.....

[Guest Manny]

Why, thank you. And please accept my early best wishes for a happy Thanksgiving (a week from tomorrow, right?). again.

Doesn't necessarily mean we like you.

[Guest Peeves]

uhhhh..... if something prevails... do the perceived traits/conditions you attribute to the un-prevailed state, still hold?

Excellent reply.

Thanks for the opportunity to expand.

The French (every where), are sooooooooooooo bothered by the use of English in commerce and common usage. They in Quebec are I suggest paranoid on the issue to the extent of language police, bills and signage. I was simply imagining our country as similarly driven to exclude English, were the French the victors and governors of our great diverse country.

I see French chauvinistic extremists to be suffering on a daily basis over an inferiority complex where they must artificially pump up the importance of the language beyond a reasonable defense.

I'm glad it was the English that prevailed. 'That' is my position. Of course if the alternative had taken place, the French would nevaire allow a separate province funded by the rest of the country, with a guarantee of a bilingual country and a uni lingual province where English was decreed.

Had the Americans won, there would likely be no 'French" province or required French speaking in government agencies, courts, airplanes etc. , duplicate labeling, signs or funded catholic schools. Would there?

"English is the language of the superpower that is America, the Internet and of computers. Therefore, it is not uncommon to see and hear European languages laden with Anglicisms. This English influence over French words is known as Franglais. This word itself is a fusion of Français and Anglais, the French words for French and English.

Franglais is that breed of French words that are heavily influenced by the English language; faire le shopping (translated literally means to do shopping) is commonly used instead

Examples of this Franglais are le parking (car park), un walkman (as opposed to the French term un balladeur) and un post-it (a post-it note). Other European languages have been similarly affected by English. The German, Spanish and Welsh counterparts of Franglais are known as Deuglish, Spanglish and Wenglish.

Silly stuff huh?

I was suggesting that the French as 'masters' of our piece of North America, would be inclined (as now the separatists) to be jingoistic, ultra nationalistic paranoid,partisan,chauvinistic whiners...

http://idebate.org/debatabase/debates/culture/house-supports-protection-french-language-face-franglais

http://www.vigile.net/It-s-futile-to-make-Quebec-feel

Snippets and excerpts that impressed nme as a Canadian.

Canadians love Canada, more even than we imagined. Quebecers ? Not so much.

By Lorne Gunter, edmontonjournal.com -

The Association of Canadian Studies — the sponsors of a recent poll of Canadians’ attitudes about the country — is an admittedly biased source. The ACS has long been committed to the Trudeauvian image of Canada : a strong federal government, official bilingualism, plenty of transfer payments and passionate support for the notion that a united, multicultural, socially just culture can be engineered from the top down.

''''

Ninety-five per cent of Canadians outside Quebec claim to be devoted to their country, compared to 92 per cent of Americans, 84 per cent of Germans and 81 per cent of Spaniards. That’s right, we Canadians are even more patriotic than the Americans, just perhaps not so jingoistic.

Seven out of 10 Canadians outside Quebec feel "very attached" to their country, compared to 67 per cent of Americans, 47 per cent of Germans and 55 per cent of Spaniards.

However, when less-than-enthusiastic Quebecers are added to the national mix, just 87 per cent of Canadians feel attached to Canada, less than Americans, but still more than Germans and Spaniards.

One-third of Quebec francophones define themselves as Quebecers only, while 39 per cent see themselves as Quebecers first, Canadians second. Just 20 per cent are equally Quebecois and Canadian. Among young Quebecois, of course, the trends are even worse. Just 18 per cent of francophone Quebecers aged 18-24 claim any attachment to Canada.

Unity will never be forced from above or dictated by national elites.

Two recent federal bills illustrate what I mean.

New Brunswick NDP MP Yvon Godin introduced a private member’s bill in 2009 that would mandate that all future appointees to the Supreme Court be fluently bilingual in the legal language of both Canada’s Common Law and Civil Law traditions.

His intent was to make francophones feel more comfortable at the country’s highest court, and thereby increase their devotion to Confederation. The practical effect of his bill, though, (if it is able to get through the Senate), would be to exclude most potential appointees from outside the Ottawa-Montreal-Quebec City-Moncton "bilingual belt."

So, I reiterate, where we the product of a French history and a neighbor of Mexico, I would be moving............. Meantime, I celebrate our good governance and good fortune to have arrived at this point proud and for me,"pleased as punch."

[Guest Peeves]

As Waldo has implied, this is nonsensical. If "France had prevailed," then separatists (were there any) would potentially be of the Anglo variety.

Hardly.

Of course there would not be any recognized nor accepted separitists other than those deemed to be and prosecuted as, traitors.

. Nor any subsidized wholly English province, nor any bilingual requirements, nor any but Catholic school system, and the justice system would be based on *

"The nature of legal systems

_{Unlike English-speaking countries, which use a system of "Common Law"}, France has a system of "Civil law".

Common law systems are ones that have evolved over the ages, and are largely based on consensus and precedent. Civil law systems are largely based on a Code of Law. Worldwide, Common Law forms the basis of the law in most English-speaking countries, whereas Civil law systems prevail in most of the rest of the world, with the notable exception of many Islamic nations and China.

In line with the democratic principle of the separation of powers, the French judiciary - although its members are state employees - is independent of the legislative authority (government).

2. The origins of the French legal system

The basis of the French legal system is laid out in a key document originally drawn up in 1804, and known as the Code Civil, or Code Napoléon, (Civil code or Napoleonic code) which laid down the rights and obligations of citizens, and the laws of property, contract, inheritance, etc.. Essentially, it was an adaptation to the needs of nineteenth-century France of the principles of Roman law and customary law. The Code Civil remains the cornerstone of French law to this day, though it has been updated and extended many times to take account of changing society. There are other codes, including notably the Code Pénal, or Penal code, which defines criminal law.

[Guest Peeves]

Doesn't necessarily mean we like you.

Well many do, except those Québécois , who of course don't like English, Muslims,Jews, Americans, or other 'ethnics'.

Particularly if the 'ethnics' turn a vote......"Money and the ethnic vote" is a phrase that is part of a speech by Jacques Parizeau. On October 30, 1995,'

[Guest Peeves]

Doesn't necessarily mean we like you.

Manny I would bet that as a % more Canucks would say they like Americans than say..oh.... members of the opposition or majority parties......

[Guest American Woman]

Manny I would bet that as a % more Canucks would say they like Americans than say..oh.... members of the opposition or majority parties......

Manny just can't help showing off his anti-Americanism at every opportunity. He'll even create the opportunity if none exists.

[bleeding heart]

Hardly.

Of course there would not be any recognized nor accepted separitists other than those deemed to be and prosecuted as, traitors.

. Nor any subsidized wholly English province, nor any bilingual requirements, nor any but Catholic school system, and the justice system would be based on *

"The nature of legal systems

_{Unlike English-speaking countries, which use a system of "Common Law"}, France has a system of "Civil law".

Common law systems are ones that have evolved over the ages, and are largely based on consensus and precedent. Civil law systems are largely based on a Code of Law. Worldwide, Common Law forms the basis of the law in most English-speaking countries, whereas Civil law systems prevail in most of the rest of the world, with the notable exception of many Islamic nations and China.

In line with the democratic principle of the separation of powers, the French judiciary - although its members are state employees - is independent of the legislative authority (government).

2. The origins of the French legal system

The basis of the French legal system is laid out in a key document originally drawn up in 1804, and known as the Code Civil, or Code Napoléon, (Civil code or Napoleonic code) which laid down the rights and obligations of citizens, and the laws of property, contract, inheritance, etc.. Essentially, it was an adaptation to the needs of nineteenth-century France of the principles of Roman law and customary law. The Code Civil remains the cornerstone of French law to this day, though it has been updated and extended many times to take account of changing society. There are other codes, including notably the Code Pénal, or Penal code, which defines criminal law.

All this is irrelevant to the uncontroversial truth that there is a separatist party in Scotland.

[bleeding heart]

Manny I would bet that as a % more Canucks would say they like Americans than say..oh.... members of the opposition or majority parties......

That's true!

[Guest Peeves]

Manny just can't help showing off his anti-Americanism at every opportunity. He'll even create the opportunity if none exists.

I bet he denies any connection to North America, or of being considered a North American. Of course some Canadians dislike the fact that the USA helped win two world wars, protected Europe, provided Canada's military needs over many years, and has been THE world power.

Regardless, those of us secure in our identity and history and familiar with our American cousins way of life, hold Americans dear to heart. Not necessarily your government or it's policies, or even it's Presidents,but Americans are really pretty much the same in their desires for freedom, security,liberty and health as Canucks, except, we have more lakes,blue skies, fresh air and better lives under better government.

Eat your heart out.

And, those of Manny's persuasion are simply following the left line on anti-Americanism.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html

[Guest Peeves]

All this is irrelevant to the uncontroversial truth that there is a separatist party in Scotland.

And ...? They only speak ....Gaelic?

[bleeding heart]

And ...? They only speak ....Gaelic?

Of course not.

I took it (maybe incorrectly) that the differences between historical French and English law makes separatism of the English (that is, the hybrid which speaks English) less likley to separate.

The Scots separatists, to a person, are English speaking citizens of the UK.

[dre]

Manny just can't help showing off his anti-Americanism at every opportunity. He'll even create the opportunity if none exists.

Theres not much real anti-americanism in Canada. In fact no population has a more favorable opinion of Americans than Canada besides one small african country (I forget which one).

And same goes the other way... Americans LOVE Canadians. In fact... Canada is so popular with Americans that our favorability ratings are the highest ever recorded between two countries.

Americans' perceptions of Canada are at an all-time high, according to a Gallup Poll. Canada jumped over the Australia and the UK to take top spot in a recent study that looked at perceptions of allies and enemies around the world.

According to the poll 96% of Americans held favourable views on Canada. Australia and the UK aren't far behind at 93% and 90% respectively.

North Korea and Iran, not surprisingly rank near the bottom of the list with 13% and 10%.

"That favorable rating is the highest Gallup has measured for any country in more than 20 years of asking this question. Canada's 93% ratings in 1987 and 1989 were the previous high favorable for any country,"

[bleeding heart]

Theres not much real anti-americanism in Canada. In fact no population has a more favorable opinion of Americans than Canada besides one small african country (I forget which one).

Well, just so. We've all heard plenty of griping about the US, but Canadians think more highly of America than most people do.

[Guest Peeves]

Well, just so. We've all heard plenty of griping about the US, but Canadians think more highly of America than most people do.

Just sayin, of course we gripe. We gripe about political parties, politicians, terrorists, hold ups for security on boarding planes, but most likely we whine, gripe and complain more about the people we love and are closest too, our friends and especially our family.

I gripe about the USA all the time...Canada too! That usually means I care. I sympathize with Manny, he just doesn't 'get it'. Of course many others mostly Americans (take note),find it easy to criticize the USA. Obviously, because it's ok to do so, not like many other countries where you would be convicted of some crime for criticizing your government/theocracy/dictator.

Thanks.

[guyser]

Manny just can't help showing off his anti-Americanism at every opportunity. He'll even create the opportunity if none exists.

Maybe hes just peeved those sneaky Yanks stole Thanksgiving!

[Guest American Woman]

Maybe hes just peeved those sneaky Yanks stole Thanksgiving!

Americans invented Thanksgiving.

[Guest American Woman]

Well, just so. We've all heard plenty of griping about the US, but Canadians think more highly of America than most people do.

Oh, really? As an American, I take exception to that claim.

[bleeding heart]

Just sayin, of course we gripe. We gripe about political parties, politicians, terrorists, hold ups for security on boarding planes, but most likely we whine, gripe and complain more about the people we love and are closest too, our friends and especially our family.

I gripe about the USA all the time...Canada too! That usually means I care. I sympathize with Manny, he just doesn't 'get it'. Of course many others mostly Americans (take note),find it easy to criticize the USA. Obviously, because it's ok to do so, not like many other countries where you would be convicted of some crime for criticizing your government/theocracy/dictator.

Thanks.

Can't argue with any of this.

[bleeding heart]

Oh, really? As an American, I take exception to that claim.

Why?