obama 2012 campaign erases all previous civil liberties campaign guara

[bud]

the democrats criticized bush for suspension of civil liberties and guaranteed them in their 2008 platform. in their 2012 platform, those guarantees have all been erased.

trevor trimm

For eight years under George W Bush, Democrats excoriated the former President and his administration for their brazen dismissal of many basic constitutional rights, and for much of Bush's second term, it was often Barack Obama who was leading the charge. Instead, Obama has re-enforced many of them, and in the 2012 Democratic platform, most of the party's previous positions were erased all together.

[jacee]

I hope the Democrats can gain enough strength in Congress and the Senate to do many of the things they promised.

Doesn't hurt to put the pressure on either.

[Shady]

I hope the Democrats can gain enough strength in Congress and the Senate to do many of the things they promised.

Doesn't hurt to put the pressure on either.

They had 2 years with a big majority in the house and the senate.

[punked]

They had 2 years with a big majority in the house and the senate.

And Bush had 6. So he had 1/3rd the time Bush did and he spent most of it fixing the problems those 6 years caused.

[bud]

I hope the Democrats can gain enough strength in Congress and the Senate to do many of the things they promised.

Doesn't hurt to put the pressure on either.

i don't agree with shady often, if ever, but he has a point. of course, he's going to blame the democrats and pretend the republicans are not the same, if not worse.

we need to get past this dems vs republicans crap and call the situation what it is. most of congress and senate, whether republican or democrats are being lobbied by the same interest groups. that said, the obama administration is the administration that has appealed the judge’s decision to block a controversial statute that gave the government the power to carry out indefinite detention. this has nothing to do with congress or senate.

[Shady]

i don't agree with shady often, if ever, but he has a point. of course, he's going to blame the democrats and pretend the republicans are not the same, if not worse.

The differences, the most Republicans support things like the Patriot Act. It was the Democrats that put the civil liberties in their party platform. It was Obama that ran on reversing Bush's policies. He's either completely incompetent, or he lied. It's one or the other.

we need to get past this dems vs republicans crap and call the situation what it is. most of congress and senate, whether republican or democrats are being lobbied by the same interest groups. that said, the obama administration is the administration that has appealed the judge’s decision to block a controversial statute that gave the government the power to carry out indefinite detention. this has nothing to do with congress or senate.

I agree. But if Obama wanted to, he could easily put a stop to the Bush era policies that infringe on civil liberties. With the stroke of a pen via executive order. Instead, he's expanded them.

[bud]

punked? as a democrat supporter, where do you stand on this issue?

[punked]

punked? as a democrat supporter, where do you stand on this issue?

I think any president has to go with where the country as a whole is on niche issue like this not where their base. Like it or not Obama is the president of all of American not just the people who voted for him.