CAP and expected society change

[Patrik]

Originally this post has been written for the Canadian Action Party (CAP) forum but I was late with the text - the party closed the forum and advised the people to use Facebook instead.

Oh, well,thank you very much!

Even though the CAP and MapleleafWeb forums are quite different they both address Canadian society that really needs a big change...

So please read and give your thoughts....

-Pk

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The purpose of this post is to take a look at the CAP's strategy in the context of crisis of the status quo sociopolitical system and assess to what extent party's policy works to bring a real change to the society.

There is no question that the western society based on the Democracy paradigm is in a unfolding crisis, and problems that are already here and those coming our way cannot be resolved within the status quo system.

After different forms of monarchy, socialism and totalitarian regimes that existed and have failed to find their place in the changing world, it's now the turn of the Democracy, or more specifically, so called regulated Democracy, to bite the dust of history.

But what type of society we will evolve into?

Of all ideas and paradigms available today we need to exclude the above mentioned pack of already none-relevant and failed ones. The paradigm that has the biggest chance to give the base for the future sociopolitical society organization may be stated in two main ideas: (i) personal freedom and, (ii) a free market capitalism. Let's call it a free society paradigm (FSP).

To justify that these ideas will be at the core of a future society generation is out of scope of this post. What should be sufficient to say here is that any idea that don't lead to personal freedom and the free market capitalism will eventually end up with a type of a system that we're currently live in.

With this said, let's use this FSP paradigm to assess a CAP's strategy. We'll use it as a “line on the sand”, as a simplified “reference point” that will allow us to see if the party has understanding of the root problem of the present status quo system and has a right tactics to bring real change to the society paving way to the future.

Let’s summarize the pro- and contro-FSP main policy entries.

Pros:

> Direct democracy,

> Some Changes to the banking system

> Miscellaneous civil rights and personal freedom ideas like abortion,

> Miscellaneous international steps that would benefit Canadians and terminate vicious cabal agreements.

These Pros are addressed by CAP in “Five essential pillows of the CAP's platform” and they are definitely steps in the right direction. But are they enough to bring expected change to the society? Small notes about the most important ones.

The direct democracy, if implemented at least as it is in Swiss, could help Canadians to avoid disastrous government and parliament plans to challenge people’s freedoms, violate common sense and push for corporate special interests. But bear in mind that Canada is not Swiss. People's mentality here is very different and huge immigration from “the third world” countries makes usability of the Direct Democracy rather questionable.

It definitely makes sense to stop anti-Canadian policies run by the Central Bank. The idea to stop borrowing money from private banks and start printing our own bills is overdue. Its implementation would help to restore the financial sovereignty and eventually make Canada a debt-free nation. But what about the Central Bank itself? Its role in the national and global financial fiat currency fraudulent system is obvious and is a part of the status quo system functionality. The system of financial slavery. Is CAP going to preserve it?

Contros:

>The role of the government in the society remains the same.

> The huge and burdensome public sector including health care, social security etc. would survive the CAP's “reform”.

> No real parliamentary reform.

> No judicial reform proposed.

The main issue with the program is the mere fact that role of the government in the society is not changed and not even discussed in the document. Practically the government would preserve its power and control over the society. In combination with the Parliament and the Central Bank institutions it would proceed running the same internal and international policies as those existing now. By underpinning a huge public sector it would milk the populace that depends on it and that will vote against any status quo changes. CAP would archive nothing but a cosmetic changes, and the existing system would have all chances to extend its existence for another vicious cycle.

On the big scale nothing will be changed taking into account the weak sides mentioned above. This is in agreement with the party's plans not to take on the huge public sector, judicial system, the mere existence of the Central Bank and the fractional reserve system. And this means that special interest groups will proceed running the country internal and international policies. Eventually everything will be back and Canadians will find themselves in the same socialistic-oligarchy system as we have it now. There will be no real and expected changes in Canada but for some time there could be some positive moves.

There are two questions that need to answered by CAP people:

(a) Do they have a plan to bring FSP to Canada? This is a very ambitious and very challenging task and it is not obvious that CAP really want it judging from the policy document content.

( If yes then, taking into account both pro- and contro-FSP states of the policy that were outlined above, does it really worthwhile to even start the plans like these?

Definitely yes if CAP wants to bring about FSP to Canadian life. But both the strategy and tactics should be changed.

On the other hand, what if CAP doesn't want to change the system? What if the intention is to try to tweak it little bit to make it look not so scary and insecure, to preserve the backbone of the sociopolitical environment? One cannot exclude this option. The party's policy document is very controversial and inconsistent regarding its real purposes and backing philosophy. Its ideas spectrum is too broad for the task to bring FSP into the society and includes concepts and sentiments from the far right to the far left. With this strategy the party have a good chance to become just another Canadian political entity and as such it will be either coopted or marginalized by the status quo.

[jbg]

I'm not sure I quite understand either this post or the CAP's platform. Please explain and simplify both.

[bleeding heart]

I'm not sure I quite understand either this post or the CAP's platform. Please explain and simplify both.

Agreed.

My first impression was of Anarcho-Capitalism (an idea I at least halfway perceive as blind, if not clinically insane). And yet, the poster mentions inconsistencies and contradictions.

So what is it, exactly?

[Wild Bill]

Patrik, I predict that your party will go nowhere!

Why? Because you are coming on with a pitch geared to high brow academics. Maybe you can get BOTH of them in Canada to vote CAP but that is not going to win an election.

If you don't learn how to appeal to the mainstream Canadian you are just wasting your time. The voters are in the local Tim's in Canmore, not in Queens University.

[madmax]

These Pros are addressed by CAP in “Five essential pillows of the CAP's platform”

A pillow for every head....

[bud]

canada is in desperate need of immigrants. this need will increase even more while the big chunk of baby boomers retire. we're not having enough children to replace the workers, let alone increase our population.

i don't know how someone can support a party which is anti-immigration.

[Patrik]

Patrik, I predict that your party will go nowhere!

Why? Because you are coming on with a pitch geared to high brow academics. Maybe you can get BOTH of them in Canada to vote CAP but that is not going to win an election.

If you don't learn how to appeal to the mainstream Canadian you are just wasting your time. The voters are in the local Tim's in Canmore, not in Queens University.

Bill, this is not my party. I just gave a review of their strategy and posted it here.

And this gave me possibility to address a general sociopolitical trend in Canada - my main interest and concern.

If the post appears to be somewhat confusing let me re-cap some main ideas I made.

The Trend

1. From a peaceful neutral country Canada became a part of the USA military war machine, aggressive and interventional.

2. The Canadian government become very big on all levels. This is one of the reasons the taxation has been constantly increasing.

3. Canada was de-industrialized and became a cheap resources supplier for the USA.

4. The country runs a huge unsustainable public sector.

5. The Central bank has been heavily involved in a fraudulent fiat currency financial system that resulted in a set of distortions in financial and economic processes, the current housing bubble and systematic looting of Canadians who try to save many. The country accumulated a huge debt to private banks and this debt is constantly growing.

6. Canada was pulled into dehumanizing program Agenda 21 that is being implemented by the global elite under the UN title. Canada has lost a major part of its sovereignty and will loose all of it sooner than later.

The CAP

The CAP's strategy is to fight and reverse some of the trend processes outlined above.

Party leaders think that if elected CAP could do it in a straightforward and legitimate way.

I mentioned two problems here:

1. In the today's political environment the CAP has no chance to be elected.

2. Even if elected the existing strategy shows that CAP would not address the root problem of the system. The system would survive ...

I'm a novice on this forum. After reading some political posts and comments I have a strong belief that people on the forum are not aware of this sociopolitical trend. They strongly believe in democracy and try to play the official political rules. And most amazing is that they do believe in Canadian government, believe that it's doing good to the people and has very good intentions. The problem is just lack of right people that should be elected and place to offices to implement people's aspirations.

Well, this delusion is pathetic.

This means that the most prominent intellectual people in Canada (who I believe frequent and contribute to this forum) are still far behind the understanding of the nature of the modern western sociopolitical system and the role of democracy in it.

I think that a big post on this subject could be very interesting and beneficiary for this site.

[Patrik]

canada is in desperate need of immigrants. this need will increase even more while the big chunk of baby boomers retire. we're not having enough children to replace the workers, let alone increase our population.

i don't know how someone can support a party which is anti-immigration.

Increasing immigration is a ponzzy-scema solution to the problem. Government heavy involvement in the Canadian family life is one of the major reasons of low fertility in Canada. We need to repeal the Family act that technically destroyed the traditional family in the country and remove the government from any family deeds. Let the people decide their own private life without agents and "advisers".

[Wild Bill]

Bill, this is not my party. I just gave a review of their strategy and posted it here.

And this gave me possibility to address a general sociopolitical trend in Canada - my main interest and concern.

If the post appears to be somewhat confusing let me re-cap some main ideas I made.

The Trend

1. From a peaceful neutral country Canada became a part of the USA military war machine, aggressive and interventional.

2. The Canadian government become very big on all levels. This is one of the reasons the taxation has been constantly increasing.

3. Canada was de-industrialized and became a cheap resources supplier for the USA.

4. The country runs a huge unsustainable public sector.

5. The Central bank has been heavily involved in a fraudulent fiat currency financial system that resulted in a set of distortions in financial and economic processes, the current housing bubble and systematic looting of Canadians who try to save many. The country accumulated a huge debt to private banks and this debt is constantly growing.

6. Canada was pulled into dehumanizing program Agenda 21 that is being implemented by the global elite under the UN title. Canada has lost a major part of its sovereignty and will loose all of it sooner than later.

The CAP

The CAP's strategy is to fight and reverse some of the trend processes outlined above.

Party leaders think that if elected CAP could do it in a straightforward and legitimate way.

I mentioned two problems here:

1. In the today's political environment the CAP has no chance to be elected.

2. Even if elected the existing strategy shows that CAP would not address the root problem of the system. The system would survive ...

I'm a novice on this forum. After reading some political posts and comments I have a strong belief that people on the forum are not aware of this sociopolitical trend. They strongly believe in democracy and try to play the official political rules. And most amazing is that they do believe in Canadian government, believe that it's doing good to the people and has very good intentions. The problem is just lack of right people that should be elected and place to offices to implement people's aspirations.

Well, this delusion is pathetic.

This means that the most prominent intellectual people in Canada (who I believe frequent and contribute to this forum) are still far behind the understanding of the nature of the modern western sociopolitical system and the role of democracy in it.

I think that a big post on this subject could be very interesting and beneficiary for this site.

Oh don't get me wrong, Patrik! I happen to agree with a great deal of what you posted about CAP's beliefs! I just am so much of a Utilitarian that I tend to think in terms of making things happen, rather than just having a bunch of academics chew it over amongst themselves.

If you hang out here long enough you will soon see that is the common practice on this board!

I am reminded of the early days of the Reform Party, which recognized how so much was flawed in the approach our governments traditionally take with managing the country - utility so often sacrificed for political expediency. Still, Preston Manning and the other Founding Fathers of the movement managed successfully to keep fiscal responsibility at least wedded to all their other party planks. Today, so many of those planks are SOP with other parties, at least to some extent or other.

Still, I meant what I said about CAP needing to identify with the common man. The last thing a party needs is a reputation of being run by academics. Look what happened to Stephane Dion!

[jbg]

Patrik, I predict that your party will go nowhere!

I predict they get about 60 ridings, give or take, in 2015 and perhaps are able to form a minority government in 2019.

[jbg]

Increasing immigration is a ponzzy-scema Ponzi Scheme solution to the problem. Government heavy involvement in the Canadian family life is one of the major reasons of low fertility in Canada. We need to repeal the Family act Family Act that technically destroyed the traditional family in the country and remove the government from any family deeds. Let the people decide their own private life without agents and "advisers".

Fixed some errors, did not alter substance.

[BubberMiley]

Fixed some errors,; did not alter substance.

Fixed an error; did not alter substance.

[jbg]

Fixed an error; did not alter substance.

Two errors. The "Act" in legislation is capitalized. Maybe only in English, not Canadian though.