Patrik

Hi Everybody, Let's name our politicians who attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in this century (https://en.wikipedia...rg_participants) 1. Stephen Harper, (2003) 2. Mike Harris, (2006), Premier of Ontario 1995–2002 3. Bernard Lord, (2006), Premier of New Brunswick 1999–2006 4. Gordon Campbell, (2010), Premier of British Columbia, 2001–2011 5. Nigel S. Wright, (2012), Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister of Canada, 2011–current 6. Alison Redford, (2012), Premier of Alberta Of course Canadian politicians attended these meetings before 2000. I don't think I need to write here what the Bilderberg Group is. The memes of a New World Order and UN's Agenda 21 are a well known "products" of the global elite who wants to impose them to us regardless of our opinions. What's going on with Canada especially the last 1.5 - 2 decades leaves no doubt on a step by step implementation of these plans: our country is being pulled forcefully into the NWO web. It loses its sovereignty. Integration with US, plans to "unite" with Europe, and environment taxes are just most obvious example of the process. The list is really very long and includes intervention of the international bureaucrats into the Canadian sociopolitical system on all levels. We are already pulled into international organizations and treaties with very bad consequences for Canadian people and economy. How the global elite does this? The most efficient ways probably are by passing special interest laws via corrupted politicians, and by pulling Canada into a financial fraudulent system that generates sovereign debt to private banking institutions. The same process is on the go in Europe ... Two questions to the forum people 1. Are all these events eventually good for Canadian people? Do we want the World Government on us? 2. How this all matches with the Canadian parliamentary democracy? And the last almost rhetorical question for you. Do you think it worthwhile spending your time seriously discussing domestic and international politics in Canada when you know who is the real masters of our country (and they do have a big-big plan for us)? How much power our politicians really have in important questions of the country development these days?

Two observations on this topic. 1. This should not come as a big surprise to Canadians that one province is being bailed out by other provinces. In fact this is the main idea of socialism: take from "rich" and give to "poor". By the way, such things take place in way too many areas of our life in Canada. The huge Canadian public sector is the real monument to "social justice". 2. The government is not interested in Quebec separation. Its purpose is to create provincial entities dependent on Ottawa. That's how it stays big, preserves its power and controls the society. But this is behind the scene. On the stage we see all political parties play a circus to entertain the sluggish public. They have their own agenda: to be elected and re-elected by the Quebec residents from one or another side. And at the same time nobody from the establishment really want Quebec to separate. They are smart enough to understand real consequences of the separation, and first of all - economical. So as progressive people, what you can do about Quebec and Canada? My opinion is that we should allow a separation referendum eventually succeed. Support separatists. And I don't think the separation will be a "punishment". Let them make this step and become a self-sufficient and responsible sovereign country. And the last observation is about very active and very vocal contributors to this thread. Are you guys consistent and honest to yourself when you add very angry comments here? Don't you think that if you stand against socialism on inter-provincial level, you should do the same for ALL socialism features in Canada? This is not always the case, unfortunately. Way too many Canadians are outraged about Quebec but at the same time vote for "free" health care, "free" education, and all "free breakfasts" in this country. Is this a double thinking and double standard mind?

Increasing immigration is a ponzzy-scema solution to the problem. Government heavy involvement in the Canadian family life is one of the major reasons of low fertility in Canada. We need to repeal the Family act that technically destroyed the traditional family in the country and remove the government from any family deeds. Let the people decide their own private life without agents and "advisers".

Bill, this is not my party. I just gave a review of their strategy and posted it here. And this gave me possibility to address a general sociopolitical trend in Canada - my main interest and concern. If the post appears to be somewhat confusing let me re-cap some main ideas I made. The Trend 1. From a peaceful neutral country Canada became a part of the USA military war machine, aggressive and interventional. 2. The Canadian government become very big on all levels. This is one of the reasons the taxation has been constantly increasing. 3. Canada was de-industrialized and became a cheap resources supplier for the USA. 4. The country runs a huge unsustainable public sector. 5. The Central bank has been heavily involved in a fraudulent fiat currency financial system that resulted in a set of distortions in financial and economic processes, the current housing bubble and systematic looting of Canadians who try to save many. The country accumulated a huge debt to private banks and this debt is constantly growing. 6. Canada was pulled into dehumanizing program Agenda 21 that is being implemented by the global elite under the UN title. Canada has lost a major part of its sovereignty and will loose all of it sooner than later. The CAP The CAP's strategy is to fight and reverse some of the trend processes outlined above. Party leaders think that if elected CAP could do it in a straightforward and legitimate way. I mentioned two problems here: 1. In the today's political environment the CAP has no chance to be elected. 2. Even if elected the existing strategy shows that CAP would not address the root problem of the system. The system would survive ... I'm a novice on this forum. After reading some political posts and comments I have a strong belief that people on the forum are not aware of this sociopolitical trend. They strongly believe in democracy and try to play the official political rules. And most amazing is that they do believe in Canadian government, believe that it's doing good to the people and has very good intentions. The problem is just lack of right people that should be elected and place to offices to implement people's aspirations. Well, this delusion is pathetic. This means that the most prominent intellectual people in Canada (who I believe frequent and contribute to this forum) are still far behind the understanding of the nature of the modern western sociopolitical system and the role of democracy in it. I think that a big post on this subject could be very interesting and beneficiary for this site.

Originally this post has been written for the Canadian Action Party (CAP) forum but I was late with the text - the party closed the forum and advised the people to use Facebook instead. Oh, well,thank you very much! Even though the CAP and MapleleafWeb forums are quite different they both address Canadian society that really needs a big change... So please read and give your thoughts.... -Pk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The purpose of this post is to take a look at the CAP's strategy in the context of crisis of the status quo sociopolitical system and assess to what extent party's policy works to bring a real change to the society. There is no question that the western society based on the Democracy paradigm is in a unfolding crisis, and problems that are already here and those coming our way cannot be resolved within the status quo system. After different forms of monarchy, socialism and totalitarian regimes that existed and have failed to find their place in the changing world, it's now the turn of the Democracy, or more specifically, so called regulated Democracy, to bite the dust of history. But what type of society we will evolve into? Of all ideas and paradigms available today we need to exclude the above mentioned pack of already none-relevant and failed ones. The paradigm that has the biggest chance to give the base for the future sociopolitical society organization may be stated in two main ideas: (i) personal freedom and, (ii) a free market capitalism. Let's call it a free society paradigm (FSP). To justify that these ideas will be at the core of a future society generation is out of scope of this post. What should be sufficient to say here is that any idea that don't lead to personal freedom and the free market capitalism will eventually end up with a type of a system that we're currently live in. With this said, let's use this FSP paradigm to assess a CAP's strategy. We'll use it as a “line on the sand”, as a simplified “reference point” that will allow us to see if the party has understanding of the root problem of the present status quo system and has a right tactics to bring real change to the society paving way to the future. Let’s summarize the pro- and contro-FSP main policy entries. Pros: > Direct democracy, > Some Changes to the banking system > Miscellaneous civil rights and personal freedom ideas like abortion, > Miscellaneous international steps that would benefit Canadians and terminate vicious cabal agreements. These Pros are addressed by CAP in “Five essential pillows of the CAP's platform” and they are definitely steps in the right direction. But are they enough to bring expected change to the society? Small notes about the most important ones. The direct democracy, if implemented at least as it is in Swiss, could help Canadians to avoid disastrous government and parliament plans to challenge people’s freedoms, violate common sense and push for corporate special interests. But bear in mind that Canada is not Swiss. People's mentality here is very different and huge immigration from “the third world” countries makes usability of the Direct Democracy rather questionable. It definitely makes sense to stop anti-Canadian policies run by the Central Bank. The idea to stop borrowing money from private banks and start printing our own bills is overdue. Its implementation would help to restore the financial sovereignty and eventually make Canada a debt-free nation. But what about the Central Bank itself? Its role in the national and global financial fiat currency fraudulent system is obvious and is a part of the status quo system functionality. The system of financial slavery. Is CAP going to preserve it? Contros: >The role of the government in the society remains the same. > The huge and burdensome public sector including health care, social security etc. would survive the CAP's “reform”. > No real parliamentary reform. > No judicial reform proposed. The main issue with the program is the mere fact that role of the government in the society is not changed and not even discussed in the document. Practically the government would preserve its power and control over the society. In combination with the Parliament and the Central Bank institutions it would proceed running the same internal and international policies as those existing now. By underpinning a huge public sector it would milk the populace that depends on it and that will vote against any status quo changes. CAP would archive nothing but a cosmetic changes, and the existing system would have all chances to extend its existence for another vicious cycle. On the big scale nothing will be changed taking into account the weak sides mentioned above. This is in agreement with the party's plans not to take on the huge public sector, judicial system, the mere existence of the Central Bank and the fractional reserve system. And this means that special interest groups will proceed running the country internal and international policies. Eventually everything will be back and Canadians will find themselves in the same socialistic-oligarchy system as we have it now. There will be no real and expected changes in Canada but for some time there could be some positive moves. There are two questions that need to answered by CAP people: (a) Do they have a plan to bring FSP to Canada? This is a very ambitious and very challenging task and it is not obvious that CAP really want it judging from the policy document content. ( If yes then, taking into account both pro- and contro-FSP states of the policy that were outlined above, does it really worthwhile to even start the plans like these? Definitely yes if CAP wants to bring about FSP to Canadian life. But both the strategy and tactics should be changed. On the other hand, what if CAP doesn't want to change the system? What if the intention is to try to tweak it little bit to make it look not so scary and insecure, to preserve the backbone of the sociopolitical environment? One cannot exclude this option. The party's policy document is very controversial and inconsistent regarding its real purposes and backing philosophy. Its ideas spectrum is too broad for the task to bring FSP into the society and includes concepts and sentiments from the far right to the far left. With this strategy the party have a good chance to become just another Canadian political entity and as such it will be either coopted or marginalized by the status quo.

Exactly: we have lots of monopolies here in Canada because market is not free and anti-monopoly law doesn't exist or doesn't work.

Only free market capitalism in a society of free responsible individuals can give us "labor", job, and prosperity. All other types of sociopolitical paradigms (monarchy, totalitarizm, socialism etc) lead to prosperity of groups of special interests. You can easily name them. By the way, Canada has never had a free market capitalism country and never been a country of free and responsible individuals. Results should not surprise you now. May be this is the subject for a separate discussion on this forum.... What do you think guys?