Signals.Cpl Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Posted May 30, 2012 Someone concerned with debt isnt going to vote Conservative either though. Yeah, but what is the alternative? If the economy is doing well, the budget is balanced, and we are paying down the debt what can the NDP offer to the Canadian people? I mean yeah there is the robocall issue which could be brought up, and then the F-35's and probably a few things will pop up over the next few years but would the issues of today be still issues of tomorrow? Depending the conservatives to screw up the economy so that you can provide an alternative is not something to base your strategy on. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Evening Star Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Yeah, but what is the alternative? If the economy is doing well, the budget is balanced, and we are paying down the debt what can the NDP offer to the Canadian people? If anything, it seems that it would be easier for the NDP to offer new social and environmental programmes in this situation. (The public may not buy them, however.) Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Posted May 30, 2012 If anything, it seems that it would be easier for the NDP to offer new social and environmental programmes in this situation. (The public may not buy them, however.) True, but it also depends on events in Europe, if things go down hill for Greece, Ireland, Portugal and any of the larger economies then promises to improve on or introduce new programs might scare the swing vote. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
punked Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 True, but it also depends on events in Europe, if things go down hill for Greece, Ireland, Portugal and any of the larger economies then promises to improve on or introduce new programs might scare the swing vote. Why? Quote
WWWTT Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 How does that make my comment wrong? What does what the Liberals did in 93 have to do with my comment? You implied that only Quebec voters change their mind. And past elections have shown that other provinces such as Ontario voters as well change their minds. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Prior to 1984, I believe that the Liberals won at least a plurality, usually a majority, in Quebec in every election but one. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Then that would be before my time WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Signals.Cpl Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Posted May 30, 2012 You implied that only Quebec voters change their mind. And past elections have shown that other provinces such as Ontario voters as well change their minds. WWWTT What I was saying was that the NDP has to be really careful when it deals with issues concerning Quebec because if for example an issue comes between Ontario and Quebec then decision to support Quebec might shut out Ontario a decision to back Ontario might lose Quebec with no guarantee of gaining anything in Ontario. I know voters in every province can change their minds, but if for example the F-35's are chosen and its time for the government to award contracts for maintenance and upgrades then it might become a race between Quebec companies and companies based in another province, NDP backs Quebec they run the risk of losing out potential seats, they back the other province they might lose Quebec seats... Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Claudius Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Clue: It's the end of May right now, not the beginning of April. Clue: That's actually pretty meaningless. A single poll is anyone's guess. Successive polls will show you a trend, the only thing worth paying attention to. Edited May 30, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
dre Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Yeah, but what is the alternative? If the economy is doing well, the budget is balanced, and we are paying down the debt what can the NDP offer to the Canadian people? I mean yeah there is the robocall issue which could be brought up, and then the F-35's and probably a few things will pop up over the next few years but would the issues of today be still issues of tomorrow? Depending the conservatives to screw up the economy so that you can provide an alternative is not something to base your strategy on. Thats just Canadian politics. We dont vote FOR parties based on their merit or their ideas really... that would take real hard work! We vote AGAINST them when they shoot themselves in the feet. The Liberals would still be in power now without sponsorship, and the Conservatives will be given a chance until they implode as well, and they are getting a good start on it with brutal attacks on common sense such as ramping up the failed war on drugs, attacking privacy and civil liberties etc. My assumption is that most fiscal conservatives stay at home on election day like me. We are unrepresented in Canadian politics. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
TheNewTeddy Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 Clue: That's actually pretty meaningless. A single poll is anyone's guess. Successive polls will show you a trend, the only thing worth paying attention to. In order to do a proper trend, you need proper data, and that means recent data. Again: if you want to be an arse, or, arrogant, or, act like you are all that, you need to know what you are talking about. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Signals.Cpl Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Posted May 30, 2012 In order to do a proper trend, you need proper data, and that means recent data. Again: if you want to be an arse, or, arrogant, or, act like you are all that, you need to know what you are talking about. Great advice...you should probably take it yourself. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Claudius Posted May 30, 2012 Report Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) In order to do a proper trend, you need proper data, and that means recent data. Again: if you want to be an arse, or, arrogant, or, act like you are all that, you need to know what you are talking about. lol. Um yes you do, and it's obvious you don't. Aprils data IS "Proper" data and it's "recent" data as well, and a trend can't be established using one single instance of the most recent data alone. A trend needs a long continuous string of data, y'see. That would be May and data from April and March that you consider somehow "improper" simply because it was 30 days ago, it would probably also include data from June. You would've learned that if you had read the link I provided, and then maybe you'd be a little bit closer to knowing what you're talking about. A trend doesn't consider last months data to be useless as you do. Last months data would be part of a trend, y'see, part of those multiple instances that are required to establish said trend. You want to yak and yak like you know what a trend is, but obviously you don't know what it is, because if you did know what it is you'd know that last months data would be a integral part of it. In this case "recent" would be the end of April every bit as much as the end of May which is why I pointed out that the difference between April and May in terms of "recentness" isn't much and doesn't mean much. It's a difference of one month. Big deal. If you think 30 days invalidates polls as data you're clueless and should get one. To recap, Mr.I-think-I'm-all-that-because-I'm-the-one-handing-out-"clues"-when-I-don't-even-know-what-a-trend-is: You cling to the most recent data as if the most recent data couldn't possibly be a surge or an inaccurate bump, which it very well could be, meanwhile I point out the difference between what a trend can tell you and the danger of just accepting whatever the most recent single-example poll says. You act like you know the difference but obviously you don't, and obviously you're refusing to learn. Since you think the difference between what is reported in April is now completely utterly unimportant and that whatever is now reported in May simply must be more important than considering the two of them as part of a trend, then that means you'd be the one talking out your act-like-you-are-all-that arse and don't have a clue what you're talking about. Let me know if you're still having problems understanding the difference between a single instance poll which is absolutely meaningless and a trend which is the only thing worth looking at and I'll see if I can't make this simple Stats 101 principle clearer for you. lol! Edited May 30, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
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