punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Meanwhile back at the ranch, Stephen Harper was acting like a Western separatist. I don't know if he is a separatist so much as he isn't a federalist. Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) If he fought so hard in '95...'95 being the blossoming of over 10 years of Mulroney bone throwing to the seperatist scum...Why is Mr. Mulcair championing going down the same wrongheaded path as it relates to the poorly thought out Sherbrooke Declaration under the specious term "Assymetrical Federalism"? You are fighting wars of a generation past. The separatist have grown old the boomers have settled in and it is the turn of the next generation to make their mark. They have already lost a war of demographic. This isn't 1980 or 1990 get over it and let the movement die the quite death it deserves because the young and new policy markers have larger issues now. The world is smaller, more connected, and less isolating in todays world a younger person inside Quebec could know someone half a world away better then the person they live next door to. We live in a different time and the past fights are gone. You are wrong, demographics show us you are wrong. Watch it go the way of the IRA or the ETA. These fights of the 80-90s are dead. Come to the future with the rest of us. Quebec wants in, just let them. Edited March 31, 2012 by punked Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 You are fighting wars of a generation past. The separatist have grown old the boomers have settled in and it is the turn of the next generation to make their mark. They have already lost a war of demographic. This isn't 1980 or 1990 get over it and let the movement die the quite death it deserves because the young and new policy markers have larger issues now. The world is smaller, more connected, and less isolating in todays world a younger person ins Quebec could know someone half a world away better then the person they live next door to. We live in a different time and the past fights are gone. You are wrong, demographics show us you are wrong. Watch it go the way of the IRA or the ETA. These fights of the 80-90s are dead. Come to the future wit the rest of us. Quebec wants in, just let them. You need to understand that your party's theories on how to bring seperatists "into the fold" aren't new... The Sherbrooke Declaration is simply a redux of the failed policies of Brian Mulroney,in his wrongheaded attempt to appease seperatist scum,after Rene Levesque was correctly stopped in his tracks as he attempted to do an end run on the Constitution in '81 by Pierre Trudeau... It is this policy of bone htrowing appeasement that got us two wrongheaded Accords,the BQ,,and,near break up of this country in '95... Yet the highminded NDPers think returning to this policy that ended in abject failure is a great idea!!! I agree Quebec wants in...But the seperatist scum in that province want in on their terms.Those terms would lead to the dissolution of this country and it's only the weakminded fools who follow the Sherbrooke Declaration (and the self serving faux righteousness of that document) that cannot see that. To quote Pierre Trudeau... "I want to put Quebec in its place...And its place is in Confederation!"... What does this mean? It means that Quebec is entitled to all the rights and priviledges as a province,like any other,within the constutional framework...Nothing more/nothing less... That's as simple and plain as it can be...And any bone throwing to seperatists is simply playing with fire... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) You need to understand that your party's theories on how to bring seperatists "into the fold" aren't new... The Sherbrooke Declaration is simply a redux of the failed policies of Brian Mulroney,in his wrongheaded attempt to appease seperatist scum,after Rene Levesque was correctly stopped in his tracks as he attempted to do an end run on the Constitution in '81 by Pierre Trudeau... It is this policy of bone htrowing appeasement that got us two wrongheaded Accords,the BQ,,and,near break up of this country in '95... Yet the highminded NDPers think returning to this policy that ended in abject failure is a great idea!!! I agree Quebec wants in...But the seperatist scum in that province want in on their terms.Those terms would lead to the dissolution of this country and it's only the weakminded fools who follow the Sherbrooke Declaration (and the self serving faux righteousness of that document) that cannot see that. To quote Pierre Trudeau... "I want to put Quebec in its place...And its place is in Confederation!"... What does this mean? It means that Quebec is entitled to all the rights and priviledges as a province,like any other,within the constutional framework...Nothing more/nothing less... That's as simple and plain as it can be...And any bone throwing to seperatists is simply playing with fire... Again you are part of an old generation fighting an old war. We live in a different more connected time. Sorry my generation doesn't care about this fight. The young people in Quebec don't see Canada as their problem they do see the older generation fighting old wars as the problem. They are spending their future, elections need to be decided on policy now not on if the dream of a separate Quebec would change anything for them. Edited March 31, 2012 by punked Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Again you are part of an old generation fighting an old war. We live in a different more connected time. Sorry my generation doesn't care about this fight. If that's the case,your generation is utterly clueless about the fire your playing with... You are not "progressive" on this issue...You're simply confused... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 If that's the case,your generation is utterly clueless about the fire your playing with... You are not "progressive" on this issue...You're simply confused... Let them in Jack. Stop telling them it is my way or the highway and actually talk with the people of Quebec what they say might surprise you. By the next election 1995 will have been 20 years old. I know the Liberals and Conservatives want to go back to those days the rest of us don't. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Denis Coderre is probably the worst person the Liberals could pick outside of Quebec... But he's the number 1 guy inside Quebec in standing up to seperatists AND shedding a little light on the weak minded seperatist enabling followers of the Sherbrooke Declaration... Very strong organizer, Ignatieff was an idiot to lose him as Quebec Lieutenant. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Let them in Jack. Stop telling them it is my way or the highway and actually talk with the people of Quebec what they say might surprise you. By the next election 1995 will have been 20 years old. I know the Liberals and Conservatives want to go back to those days the rest of us don't. Nope...We should never give traitors any chance at all... Your weakminded Mulroneyesque approach is simply setting the table for the destruction of this country. I don't find anything about you,on this matter,"progressive" at all...Simply rehashing bad ideas that have been proven to be disastrous in the past. If Quebec wants in,they will come in as a province,nothing more or less... No "Distinct Society "clause...No Constitutional veto power... If those in that province cannot abide by that,and I might add their willing enablers outside that province,then I suggest they take up their French flag and go live in France... Secesh needs to be wiped out...Period...Full stop...No equivocation... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Is Mulcair the reason Nycole Turmel abandoned sepatism? Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Nope...We should never give traitors any chance at all... Your weakminded Mulroneyesque approach is simply setting the table for the destruction of this country. I don't find anything about you,on this matter,"progressive" at all...Simply rehashing bad ideas that have been proven to be disastrous in the past. If Quebec wants in,they will come in as a province,nothing more or less... No "Distinct Society "clause...No Constitutional veto power... If those in that province cannot abide by that,and I might add their willing enablers outside that province,then I suggest they take up their French flag and go live in France... Secesh needs to be wiped out...Period...Full stop...No equivocation... If you want Separatism to go from a dying movement no one cares about back to the 1980-1990s hay day for the movement this is a great way to do it. Let it die Jack. Just stop. Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Is Mulcair the reason Nycole Turmel abandoned sepatism? Considering she was never a separatist and this is just another one of your lies. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Considering she was never a separatist and this is just another one of your lies. She was just a member of a separatist party. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 If you want Separatism to go from a dying movement no one cares about back to the 1980-1990s hay day for the movement this is a great way to do it. Let it die Jack. Just stop. I'm for reopening the separatist movement! Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Very strong organizer, Ignatieff was an idiot to lose him as Quebec Lieutenant. The guy said they would take the 30 Billion dollar warship program and move to Quebec during the last campaign costing the Liberals at least 10 seats outside of Quebec. I hope they nominate him, he would be terrible. Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 I'm for reopening the separatist movement! Most Liberals are, they kept it going for a long time so they could keep winning seats in Quebec. That is the difference between Liberals and NDPers, Liberals love the separatist movement and we don't. we want one Canada united. Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) She was just a member of a separatist party. So was Dion yet you have never called him a separatist. Liberals have such short memories or are such hypocrites it hurts sometimes. Edited March 31, 2012 by punked Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 The NDP has been tied with the Conservatives before. Right after Layton died, and in 2 polls recently (is this a 3rd?) The NDP has not, however, been first since mid 1988. They held first from October 1987 to about August of 1988. Prior to that the last time the NDP (or it's predecessors) had been in first was a single poll in 1945 showing the CCF narrowly ahead of the Liberals. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Most Liberals are, they kept it going for a long time so they could keep winning seats in Quebec. That is the difference between Liberals and NDPers, Liberals love the separatist movement and we don't. we want one Canada united. Hopefully the next time there is a vote on separatism in Quebec they will finally leave. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 So was Dion yet you have never called him a separatist. Liberals have such short memories or are such hypocrites it hurts sometimes. Didn't know he was? Show me the link, obviously you're the smartest one here so it's hard for others to keep up with your wonderful knowledge. Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Hopefully the next time there is a vote on separatism in Quebec they will finally leave. There wont be another vote unless the Liberals have their way in bringing this dying movement back form the dead. It has gotten to be such a political third rail that even the PQ wont talk of it because every time they open their mouth they drop like a rock in the polls. No one cares anymore Quebec elections are about other things now, only people of a dying generation like Jack still care about it. Let Quebec in. Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Didn't know he was? Show me the link, obviously you're the smartest one here so it's hard for others to keep up with your wonderful knowledge. How do you not know that Dion actively campaigned for the Parti Québécois in the 76 election. An election they won mind you and one which more then any other election empowered those of the Quite revolution to continue their fight for Separatism? Come on Newfoundlander. That election literally was the spring board for the 1980s referendum which the party promised in the 76 election. Anyhow I will let research it but Dion was no angle himself when it comes to flirting with the Separatist in his early days. Unlike Turmel who has always said Separatism is not the right answer for Quebec even when she was a member of both the Bloc and NDP at the same time. You need to get off the Liberal and Conservative talking points and start looking into this stuff yourself. you will be shocked I think. Edited March 31, 2012 by punked Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) There wont be another vote unless the Liberals have their way in bringing this dying movement back form the dead. It has gotten to be such a political third rail that even the PQ wont talk of it because every time they open their mouth they drop like a rock in the polls. No one cares anymore Quebec elections are about other things now, only people of a dying generation like Jack still care about it. Let Quebec in. The survey unveiled Monday found that 44.5 per cent of Quebecers would support separating from Canada if the Constitution could not be changed enough to satisfy the majority of the province. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/26/quebec-separatism-poll-leger-marketing_n_1380097.html Edited March 31, 2012 by Newfoundlander Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 How do you not know that Dion actively campaigned for the Parti Québécois in the 76 election. An election they won mind you and one which more then any other election empowered those of the Quite revolution to continue their fight for Separatism? Come on Newfoundlander. That election literally was the spring board for the 1980s referendum which the party promised in the 76 election. Why would I give a shit about Quebec's 1976 election? Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Why would I give a shit about Quebec's 1976 election? Why do you give a Shit about anything you say? I don't know. Fact is you act like it is ok for one political leader to do something and when another one does the same thing you get angry because that other political leader is a member of the NDP. Your bias is showing. BTW your poll is a bunch of BS. It is a push poll where their isn't a clear choice. I bet if you did a poll of Cape Breton and worded it very poorly they would go with Separation to. Again when any party in Quebec starts the old "let's Separate" BS they drop like a rock. Heck look what happened the last Federal election when the BQ looking for a game changer started that slogan up again they lost 10 points to the NDP. Actions speak louder then words. Edited March 31, 2012 by punked Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Why do you give a Shit about anything you say? I don't know. Fact is you act like it is ok for one political leader to do something and when another one does the same thing you get angry because that other political lead is a member of the NDP. Your bias is showing. And your communist biases aren't? I guess Dion is a separatist to then. Quote
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