Alberta Election 2012

[Jerry J. Fortin]

This is one little straw on the back of the PC camel. If you look closely you can see that there is a great many straws on that old camel.

[cybercoma]

NDP returned a $5000 political donation because they're the only party with any integrity these days.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/alberta-election/ndp-returns-5000-donation-from-transalta-corp/article2394329

[Newfoundlander]

NDP returned a $5000 political donation because they're the only party with any integrity these days.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/alberta-election/ndp-returns-5000-donation-from-transalta-corp/article2394329

That "integrity" hasn't helped them move up in the polls though.

[madmax]

That "integrity" hasn't helped them move up in the polls though.

I hope the NDP never make decisions based on polls, and continue to make decisions on whats the right thing to do.

Clearly being against privatized hydro and the hydro debacle they had in Alberta... its not surprising that the NDP don't want to bail out this private company again.. which is likely why this company is giving money to all the parties.. looking for another handout from the next government.

[BornAlbertan]

I hope the NDP never make decisions based on polls, and continue to make decisions on whats the right thing to do.

Clearly being against privatized hydro and the hydro debacle they had in Alberta... its not surprising that the NDP don't want to bail out this private company again.. which is likely why this company is giving money to all the parties.. looking for another handout from the next government.

What are you tlaking about getting "bailed out". TransAlta never got bailed out.

[madmax]

What are you tlaking about getting "bailed out". TransAlta never got bailed out.

Calculate the $ in Public Taxpayers handouts to this "private" company.

[madmax]

What do u know.. they are crooked too.... what surprise...

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In the wake of revelations that TransAlta Corp. manipulated the power market to increase profits, a report to the Alberta monitor warns there’s a risk that participants may be working together to the same end.

The study prepared by consultancy Charles River Associates for the Alberta Market Surveillance Administrator, the enforcement arm of a system set up when Alberta deregulated its power market in 1995, looks into whether the level of data released makes it possible for participants to work in concert — but not whether they actually have.

So the situation is ripe for plunder of Alberta’s citizens and plunder is exactly what TransAlta did.

“In a negotiated settlement with the MSA, TransAlta agreed to pay $370,000 and admit it purposely blocked the import of cheaper hydroelectric power from British Columbia over 31 hours in November 2010, creating an artificial shortage of electricity and higher prices.

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So while these crooks are shafting the public and manipulating the market.... they are there with their hands in the taxpayers pocket getting more and more money from the Provincial and Federal Government.

Edited April 8, 2012 by madmax

[Smallc]

I hope the NDP never make decisions based on polls,

Outside of a few provinces, like Manitoba, I hope the same thing. They aren't fit to govern.

[madmax]

Outside of a few provinces, like Manitoba, I hope the same thing. They aren't fit to govern.

Each has their opinion. I certainly saw the Bob Rae Fiasco...(it certainly wasn't as bad as Grant Devine and ironically its not as Bad as the McGuinty Government) but people cut the libs more slack which is traditional.

Fit to govern... is a matter of your opinion.

The NDP has the best track record of all political parties with regards to fiscal responsibility.

Like any political party, they get elected when the public marks a ballot giving them the opportunity to govern.

Comparted to the bogus governments I have seen for the last 20 years... there isn't alot to choose from a group of bad apples..and I'd have to say, from stats ... the NDP in Manitoba has been very successful and as good a government as any out there.

From what I hear.. Dexter in Nova Scotia claimed to be a tory of sorts and is governing like one.

I really feel bad for those in BC who had to live with the Campbell government.. and the shallow christy government.

As this is an Alberta thread... I doubt the NDP are in any position or shape to challenge for running the Province and that is only accomplished when one grows beyond the base.

I believe Sask had good government and it was tired by the time it was replaced... and the SaskParty looks pretty much like an old school CCF style party, but their latest move shows that its not taking long for arrogance and entitlement to set in.

Ontario...be a long time before an NDP government ever returns. As I said, Bob Rae governed like a Liberal of the Trudeau stripe, and by the time they corrected all their errors.... it was too late to be given a 2nd term. However, Unlike Sask where Devine Destroyed the Conservative Brand.. the NDP appear more stubborn to their name and did not rebrand... like was done in Sask. Therefore the publics memory lasts a little longer here.. then in Sask only the damage was massive in Sask when the Converatives ran amok.

Eastern Provinces... from what I know.. Nova Scotia balanced their books for the first time in 50 years.

If I think of good government... I prefer those who stand tall like Danny Williams did.

There are people like that in every political party... and sooner or later they will rise to the top.

I haven't seem a good government in Ontario since I was a kid...

I see alot of Parties not fit to govern....

Many just get too tired...

Back on topic..

I think Change is coming to Alberta... and Wild Rose may not be the best choice.. for government.. but at this time it is considered teh best option to a tired government.

[Smallc]

Each has their opinion. I certainly saw the Bob Rae Fiasco...(it certainly wasn't as bad as Grant Devine and ironically its not as Bad as the McGuinty Government) but people cut the libs more slack which is traditional.

Fit to govern... is a matter of your opinion.

My point was that parties have to do things that the population actually wants, or they aren't fit to govern....The NDP, under your scenario, isn't fit to govern.

[madmax]

My point was that parties have to do things that the population actually wants, or they aren't fit to govern....The NDP, under your scenario, isn't fit to govern.

the public makes a choice.

A clear choice is better then a pandering political party making policy based on polling data. If the public has seen your position and actually want it ... they will vote for it...

If they don't like your position they can vote against it.

[Smallc]

And they do.

[madmax]

And they do.

I knew we would agree sooner or later..

[cybercoma]

Outside of a few provinces, like Manitoba, I hope the same thing. They aren't fit to govern.

That didn't stop you from voting for them in the last federal election though.

[Smallc]

That didn't stop you from voting for them in the last federal election though.

I was pissed off at some Conservative posters on here, so I voted NDP out of spite.

[TheNewTeddy]

Provincial NDP parties in places like Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Newfoundland, and Nova Scotia, have all run on fiscally sound platforms, and in those provinces, when elected, they do very well at balancing the budget.

The Federal NDP's platform has always been similar to the BC NDP platform. The BC NDP btw has a horrible record at fiscal management. The only reason the BC NDP manages to win elections is that the LibSoCreds have a record that's nearly just as bad.

If the Federal NDP wants to win elections they need to stop being like BC, and be more like Manitoba. Until now, they've been unwilling to do so.

Alberta's NDP however is one of the competent ones.

Edited April 8, 2012 by TheNewTeddy

[Newfoundlander]

Provincial NDP parties in places like Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Newfoundland, and Nova Scotia, have all run on fiscally sound platforms, and in those provinces, when elected, they do very well at balancing the budget.

Last October was the first time the NL NDP put out a "realistic" platform, the biggest problem with it was the law suit it promised with the worlds biggest oil companies.

[Bryan]

Outside of a few provinces, like Manitoba, I hope the same thing. They aren't fit to govern.

They aren't fit to govern in Manitoba either. Their fiscal track record is abysmal.

[punked]

I was pissed off at some Conservative posters on here, so I voted NDP out of spite.

Well that is not really a reasons to vote for a government. We will get you there someday though.

[Smallc]

They aren't fit to govern in Manitoba either. Their fiscal track record is abysmal.

Leading up to the recession, it was excellent. This last year is an aberration caused by the flood.

[punked]

Leading up to the recession, it was excellent. This last year is an aberration caused by the flood.

Going through the recession in 2009 only NDP run provinces didn't have a GDP in the negatives. Nova Scotia and Manitoba.

[madmax]

Going through the recession in 2009 only NDP run provinces didn't have a GDP in the negatives. Nova Scotia and Manitoba.

Saskatchewan has continued to grow with the Sask party just as it did with the NDP in power. The main difference is that the Sask party runs deficits

Saskatchewan is and was doing well. It had high GDP growth and a triple-A credit rating before your Sask Party took office in 2007. NDP left office with a 1 billion dollar surplus that is no longer available.

[Newfoundlander]

Going through the recession in 2009 only NDP run provinces didn't have a GDP in the negatives. Nova Scotia and Manitoba.

Depending on the source. RBC shows that PEI's GDP grew, Nova Scotia's didn't change and that Manitoba's GDP shrunk. I've also seen different numbers then these, some show Manitoba's didn't change and that Nova Scotia's shrunk.

http://www.rbc.com/economics/market/pdf/provfcst.pdf

[punked]

Depending on the source. RBC shows that PEI's GDP grew, Nova Scotia's didn't change and that Manitoba's GDP shrunk. I've also seen different numbers then these, some show Manitoba's didn't change and that Nova Scotia's shrunk.

http://www.rbc.com/economics/market/pdf/provfcst.pdf

I was going by government estimates regardless they weren't the governments doing anyway really were they?

[Newfoundlander]

I was going by government estimates regardless they weren't the governments doing anyway really were they?

Can I see the estimates you were going by then? I find it odd how depending on the source the numbers change and was having difficulty finding Stats Canada's 2009 figures.