NDP Leadership

[cybercoma]

I don't think Peggy Nash holds her own even in the NDP leadership debates.

She does better than Ashton. lol

[cybercoma]

The Conservatives would love it if she were to win lol. I think they really are only scared of Muclair.

Don't worry. They'll begin spending tax dollars on attack ads as soon as he's named leader. They've already begun by claiming he's not loyal to Canada because he has dual-citizenship and he's not loyal to his party because he tried to buy a cabinet position from Harper. The dual-citizenship disappeared just as quickly as it started when Mulcair said Harper's one to talk about loyalty when he wanted to build a wall around Alberta, while Mulcair was fighting against separatism in Quebec.

Edited March 5, 2012 by cybercoma

[Newfoundlander]

s. Many of them (predominantly in Ontario) ran to Harper last year out of fear the NDP may actually form a government.

Do you have proof or is that just made up bs?

We don't have proof of how anyone decides how to vote. If I said that a huge chunk of former Reform Party voters voted for the NDP last May how could anyone prove me wrong? Many people said that the Conservatives support went up in the last few days of the campaign because blue Liberals left the party so that the NDP didn't win, look at seats in suburban Toronto for example. There's no proof that it actually happened that way, but it's a very logical conclusion.

[olpfan1]

We don't have proof of how anyone decides how to vote. If I said that a huge chunk of former Reform Party voters voted for the NDP last May how could anyone prove me wrong? Many people said that the Conservatives support went up in the last few days of the campaign because blue Liberals left the party so that the NDP didn't win, look at seats in suburban Toronto for example. There's no proof that it actually happened that way, but it's a very logical conclusion.

so they were afraid of the ndp but not harper? yeah i believe you

not

[Newfoundlander]

so they were afraid of the ndp but not harper? yeah i believe you

not

I don't like Harper the least but I'd still rather a Conservative government over a New Democrat government, and I voted for my NDP MP. Bob Rae screwed up Ontario when he was premier, do you really think it's hard to convince someone who is centre-right to vote Conservative to block the NDP?

[UofGPolitico]

so they were afraid of the ndp but not harper? yeah i believe you

not

The thought of an NDP government actually scares a lot of people, especially in Ontario.

[olpfan1]

I don't like Harper the least but I'd still rather a Conservative government over a New Democrat government, and I voted for my NDP MP. Bob Rae screwed up Ontario when he was premier, do you really think it's hard to convince someone who is centre-right to vote Conservative to block the NDP?

harper is screwing up canada

[olpfan1]

The thought of an NDP government actually scares a lot of people, especially in Ontario.

Layton couldnt have been scarier than harper

no way

[Newfoundlander]

Layton couldnt have been scarier than harper

no way

That's your view, others are different.

[Evening Star]

We don't have proof of how anyone decides how to vote. If I said that a huge chunk of former Reform Party voters voted for the NDP last May how could anyone prove me wrong? Many people said that the Conservatives support went up in the last few days of the campaign because blue Liberals left the party so that the NDP didn't win, look at seats in suburban Toronto for example. There's no proof that it actually happened that way, but it's a very logical conclusion.

You know, they do poll these things some times and ask people how they voted in the previous election etc. (For example, we do know that something like 25% of the people who voted NDP in 1988 voted Reform in 1993.) My understanding was that there was some polling that backs up what you're saying. I never really doubted that many suburban Ontario Liberal voters would swing CPC if they had to choose between the CPC and NDP.

[j44]

so they were afraid of the ndp but not harper? yeah i believe you

not

Ask John Manley if he would rather a Conservative or NDP government.

[UofGPolitico]

Layton couldnt have been scarier than harper

no way

It doesn't really matter in this case who the leader is, its the brand of the party. The NDP brand is a damaged brand in ON, the Conservative brand I think is too, but obviously to a lesser extent.

[Evening Star]

This has been known to be a long-term Conservative goal: weaken the Liberals so their supporter have to choose between the NDP or CPC. The Conservatives were banking that many would choose CPC - and they were right.

[UofGPolitico]

Ask John Manley if he would rather a Conservative or NDP government.

Exactly. Manley is often in his current private role speaking out publically in support of the Conservative government, especially when it comes to its economic policies. If the Liberals do disappear, we know where his allegiance goes. I doubt in fact that he is even still a Liberal.

[Evening Star]

Olp1fan, you're assuming that the LPC and NDP are both 'left' parties and the CPC is a 'right' party. Not everyone sees it that way: for people who voted Liberal because they liked Paul Martin's economic policies, for example, the Conservatives could easily be preferable to the NDP.

[UofGPolitico]

So for anyone who did watch the debate today, what were your thoughts? It seems The candidates have decided who the front-runner is, Old Tommy Boy. The Globe made it seem as if Topp was just sitting their twiddling his thumbs, apparently he only got one question in the first round.

[olpfan1]

It doesn't really matter in this case who the leader is, its the brand of the party. The NDP brand is a damaged brand in ON, the Conservative brand I think is too, but obviously to a lesser extent.

I don't know, Bob Rae vs Mike Harris .. whom do you think is the most hated?

[Evening Star]

I don't know, Bob Rae vs Mike Harris .. whom do you think is the most hated?

Mike Harris was re-elected to a second majority government after his first term.

[olpfan1]

Olp1fan, you're assuming that the LPC and NDP are both 'left' parties and the CPC is a 'right' party.

I see one party trying to turn non violent potheads into convicts and the other parties not

I see one party trying to egg on a war vs Iran and the others are not

I see one party trying to turn environmental groups into extreme radicals to benefit their oil buddies

while the other groups are not

Yes, I do see this as left vs right, the conservative policies are the policies of the republicans in the U.S

Not everyone sees it that way: for people who voted Liberal because they liked Paul Martin's economic policies, for example, the Conservatives could easily be preferable to the NDP.

Paul Martin cut down on spending, he didn't invest in anything new that he didn't have to..Harpers government keeps on spending like crazy.. I mean for gods sake open your eyes, The Conservatives just spent 12 million dollars on ads to tout their budget and how good they are for Canada meanwhile they just closed down an arctic scientific station which is vital, they just axed every student employment center in the country..they could have kept those places open but instead they chose to put out CPC propaganda..and you think this is preferable than the NDP?

Give your head a shake

[olpfan1]

Mike Harris was re-elected to a second majority government after his first term.

So was Mulroney

[cybercoma]

Olp1fan, you're assuming that the LPC and NDP are both 'left' parties and the CPC is a 'right' party. Not everyone sees it that way: for people who voted Liberal because they liked Paul Martin's economic policies, for example, the Conservatives could easily be preferable to the NDP.

Of course, that kind of thinking is predicated on the myth that the NDP can't be fiscally responsible. In fact they've balanced budgets in provinces like NS and have proven to be quite responsible at the provincial level. All the fears about Bob Rae are largely nonsense. The Liberals are gaining support right now due to his leadership.

[olpfan1]

Of course, that kind of thinking is predicated on the myth that the NDP can't be fiscally responsible. In fact they've balanced budgets in provinces like NS and have proven to be quite responsible at the provincial level. All the fears about Bob Rae are largely nonsense. The Liberals are gaining support right now due to his leadership.

I agree, NDP is more than capable of at least doing a better job than the government who has Canada in the largest deficit in Canadian history...and THEY WANT TO SPEND MORE

And then a shill like evening star says we should be afraid of the NDP?

shiiiiit, is that some kind of joke?

Edited March 5, 2012 by olpfan1

[Smallc]

I agree, NDP is more than capable of at least doing a better job than the government who has Canada in the largest deficit in Canadian history

Adjusted for GDP? Not the Conservatives.

Edited March 5, 2012 by Smallc

[cybercoma]

I agree, NDP is more than capable of at least doing a better job than the government who has Canada in the largest deficit in Canadian history...and THEY WANT TO SPEND MORE

And then a shill like evening star says we should be afraid of the NDP?

shiiiiit, is that some kind of joke?

No. Evening Star is just telling it like it is. He's right that Liberals would vote Conservative. The problem is that many Liberals believe the myth I pointed out about the NDP.

[Evening Star]

Olp1fan, if you've been paying any attention at all, you'd know that I'm voting in the NDP leadership race. I've donated to and volunteered with the NDP. I'm anything but a Conservative shill.