jbg Posted January 5, 2012 Author Report Posted January 5, 2012 What the hell is that supposed to mean? Those people make their wives work so that they can study Torah all day. And they don't serve in the armed forces. I'm not sure if they pay taxes. All in all, a pretty disgusting bunch. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted January 5, 2012 Report Posted January 5, 2012 Good point, jbg. I've noticed that many folks try to be fair but miss the distinction between a qualitative point and a quantitative one. Yes, it's true that there are many Muslims who are civilized. The point is, how many? What percentage? It's not enough to point out that there are SOME! At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, SOME Germans did not support Hitler but their numbers were so small and/or ineffective as to be irrelevant. Are the numbers of Muslims who stand up against the militants significant? Are their actions in rooting out dangerous and violent Islamists in their community significant and effective? The same holds true for the reverse. The onus is on you and your fellow pants-pissers to provide evidence that violent Islamists or their sympathizers are truly representative of the majority. The point is many want to duck the issue for any number of reasons. One assumes the good faith of the "duckers" which is that they don't want to perceive themselves or be perceived as bigots. That is fair. The problem is that it is impossible to tuss out the many violent members of the community from the many peaceful members. Maybe if the Muslim community, overall, were more inconvenienced by security measures they'd ostracize and isolate their "bad eggs", and help the police. That would go a long way towards solving the problem. Yeah, I'm sure if you treat everyone like a terrorist and they'll be happy to help you find the actual terrorists. What a daft notion. You're making a good point. However, in no way is Boko Haram as marginalized among Muslims as the Haradim (sp) are marginalized among Jews. I'll admit that they're political power, though, is too great and needs to be reduced or eliminated. But they rarely resort to violence, mostly to leeching off productive Israelis and their wives. So a terrorist organization that the state of Nigeria is actively in conflict with is less marginalized than the ultra-Orthodox Jews who maintain a key role in the Israeli political process and internal society? That's another daft idea. Quote
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