Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 That has actually been a real concern over the past months as these kinds of inadequate funding come to light. The Nations Post did a column on our vulnerability since most of the countries transportation networks and infrastructure pass through reserves or First Nation territory and can't be defended. The Winnipeg Free Press also wrote a similar artical as well as Justice LeForme (head of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission) making statements about aboriginal revolution if issues are not settled. Finally, the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples PREDICTED native unrest and economic disruption if issues were not settled favourably. The writing is on the wall. I can only hope the 'natives' try something that stupid. Public sympathy would evaporate instantly, and with it any chance of 'natives' claiming even a penny of unduly deserved funds. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) If you really believe those numbers you fit into the delusional category, just a step back from the cowards and fools that brought us to this point. It is a reality you obviously want to ignore. IN other words as I suspected you are not sincere about settling Aboriginal issues. Edited December 13, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 I can only hope the 'natives' try something that stupid. Public sympathy would evaporate instantly, and with it any chance of 'natives' claiming even a penny of unduly deserved funds. I hope the chiefs all across Canada protest 3rd party management via civil disobedience They would definitely lose public support Quote
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 According to our Queen they do. You're using the views of an unelected monarch to support your position? Oh wait, you're serious? Allow me to laugh even harder. :lol: Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 It hasn't officially been their land for hundreds of years or they wouldn't be claiming it legally Incorrect. Their grievance and claims for the lands have been presented almost every year of the last 200 years. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Incorrect. Their grievance and claims for the lands have been presented almost every year of the last 200 years. They get plenty of money dude, what is your opinion on the chiefs mishandling the money? do you support 3rd party management? Quote
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 It is a reality you obviously want to ignore. IN other words as I suspected you are not sincere about settling Aboriginal issues. Stop discriminating based off race and make 'natives' equal to Canadians. Bam, settlement complete, back to the hum drum day to day issues. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 I'm not on their land, they don't own this property In legal reality WE don't own the land our houses sit on. All land is tenured to us with a "use permit" called a "deed". However, the Crown holds all rights over the land and with a decision they can expropriate it, mine it or lease it to someone else if they decide it is in the public interest. However, the Crown holds a lease agreement with First Nations call a Treaty which gives us rights to settle upon the land and to develop it for limited purposes but First Nations retain the ownership and other rights. The Supreme Court has held that we must consult with them before we can use or expand our use of their lands. Finally on top of all of that are "Aboriginal rights" which are guaranteed by the Royal Proclamation 1763 entrenched in the Charter that provide that we cannot use or settle upon and "Indian Lands" until the Crown has first obtained a surrender from the First Nation. There are many claims like this all across Canada where we have occupied land that we were not entitled to. In most case parcels of Crown lands are being returned along with huge loss of use payments (in the $10s of millions). The only ones settled so far have been simple claims. The more complex ones will cost us $ billions for loss of use and transfers. At the end of the day we all live on Aboriginal titled land. You can't get away from it no matter how much you want to delude yourself in denial. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
wyly Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 The article doesn't exist, it's prophecy of what would happen should there ever be a violent dispute between Canada and these six native groups. if the natives of canada got it into their heads to rise up our military would unable to cope with it... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 I can only hope the 'natives' try something that stupid. Public sympathy would evaporate instantly, and with it any chance of 'natives' claiming even a penny of unduly deserved funds. You're using the views of an unelected monarch to support your position? Oh wait, you're serious? Allow me to laugh even harder. :lol: The unelected monarch that is recognized by our Constitution as our Head of State. Yeah. In other words, public sympathy doesn't matter. The First Nations have the rule of law behind them. Quote
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 They get plenty of money dude, what is your opinion on the chiefs mishandling the money? do you support 3rd party management? First Nations are under funded. When there isn't enough money for housing or for education, then the problem isn't a management problem it is a funding problem. Across Canada First Nations whom have been put under third party management never get out since the government appointed managers have a worse problem trying to manage under funding. At the end of the day those third party managers cost millions and the Bands get nothing in return. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 When there isn't enough money for housing or for education, then the problem isn't a management problem it is a funding problem. nah, its a corruption problem within the chiefs and leadership of the band Quote
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 I can only hope the 'natives' try something that stupid. Public sympathy would evaporate instantly, and with it any chance of 'natives' claiming even a penny of unduly deserved funds. The experts making comments on the potential uprising say the exact opposite. Economic disruption and violence would have them screaming at the government, not the natives. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 if the natives of canada got it into their heads to rise up our military would unable to cope with it... You're assuming the military wouldn't be shooting to kill, if you catch my drift. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 nah, its a corruption problem within the chiefs and leadership of the band Yet you make another ignorant unqualified statement by a nobody..... There is no corruption. The Band is audited every year and the audits have been posted on line. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 It is a reality you obviously want to ignore. IN other words as I suspected you are not sincere about settling Aboriginal issues. The reality is that the First Nations peoples lost very nearly all that they had. They lost it because we took it from them in battle, that is the reality. What is happening today has nothing to do with past victories and defeats. It has nothing to do with land claims or compensation, it has everything to do with an attempt to reclaim lost honour. That is the truth of the matter. The entire Six Nations claim in Ontario is based on the harsh reality that one designated representative of their own group facilitated the transfer of title to native lands unto non-native hands. That was done almost a hundred years before this nation came into existence. One native screwing another native two centuries ago does not constitute a treaty violation on the part of the Canadian government. If you want to point a finger, then go chase the down the relatives of the agents of the crown who facilitated the transfer of the entire package of lands now called Canada. Is not the Queen the official Head of State of Canada anyway? At least it was Her direct lineage that can be traced without question or problem, it was Her ancestors that put pen to paper in the first place, so why not put the blame where it belongs? Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 if the natives of canada got it into their heads to rise up our military would unable to cope with it... well. pretty soon we'll have the U.S army up here I'd love to see them try then Quote
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 if the natives of canada got it into their heads to rise up our military would unable to cope with it... And if the military were used, we would be condemned by the UN and possibly invaded by peacekeepers for attacking our own people and breaking the UN conventions on aboriginal rights. Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Yet you make another ignorant unqualified statement by a nobody..... There is no corruption. The Band is audited every year and the audits have been posted on line. There's a reason the chief of Attawapiskat is trying her best to stop 3rd party management she doesn't want to get caught Quote
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples. Canada's great native uprising How to prevent native uprising Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Yet you make another ignorant unqualified statement by a nobody..... There is no corruption. The Band is audited every year and the audits have been posted on line. THERE IS NO CORRUPTION !!!!! Well maybe not on one side but surely on the other. Quote
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 The unelected monarch that is recognized by our Constitution as our Head of State. Yeah. In other words, public sympathy doesn't matter. The First Nations have the rule of law behind them. The queen is a figurehead, any attempt by her to exercise even the slightest power without the blessing of an elected government would result in a constitutional crisis. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) And if the military were used, we would be condemned by the UN and possibly invaded by peacekeepers for attacking our own people and breaking the UN conventions on aboriginal rights. not if the natives attacked first its called civil war Edited December 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 nah, its a corruption problem within the chiefs and leadership of the band Sheila Fraser says you're wrong. Quote
wyly Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 And if the military were used, we would be condemned by the UN and possibly invaded by peacekeepers for attacking our own people and breaking the UN conventions on aboriginal rights. UN? I can't see that happening...logistically our military would be swamped... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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