Wilber Posted August 28, 2011 Report Posted August 28, 2011 I agree that an introduction that was better handled we would have avoided this fiasco but I don't think the politicians will learn the lessons that you think they should learn. I think that when it comes to taxes the status quo will be an iron cage that we will never escape. Again, I see it differently. There will be plenty of changes to the tax system, they will just have to be debated properly. The only reason this happened is because of government's flagrant disrespect of the people. It was too blatant to be ignored. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
CPCFTW Posted August 28, 2011 Report Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) The hst is the most unfair tax imposed on poorer people. It's 13% of our income and only about .01% of anyone earning 150,000 bux a year. I'll ignore your ridiculous math (I'm pretty sure someone making 150k buys more than $15 worth of stuff) and ask you this: Do you think someone making 150k consumes the same as someone making 50k and just pockets the remaining 100k and cackles maniacally at the lowly peasants? Nope, he consumes more and therefore pays more taxes. The credit card and consumerism model of the economy has failed. Consumption taxes are a step in the right direction away from the type of society that the lefties crave. "Hey government, can you borrow more from creditor nations and raise taxes on the boogeymen (aka corporations and the wealthy) to pay for our welfare, universal healthcare, cozy government jobs, and pension plans?? While you're at it, can you legislate lower interest rates on credit cards, and reduce consumption taxes, so that we can borrow even more from other people to pay for our consumption and other noble... ahem.. I mean 'human rights'??" The height of hypocrisy and greed. If you don't want to pay 13% tax on your income, invest/save it instead of buying yourself a new pair of $200 nike shoes and a $1000 led TV... Edited August 28, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
CitizenX Posted August 28, 2011 Report Posted August 28, 2011 I don't think you can blame this clusterfluk all on Campbell, I didn't hear allot of decent from the rest the BC Neo-Liberal party members. I think you have to blame the whole party. Is this their "sponsorship scandal"? Will it kill them in the next election ? Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
CitizenX Posted August 28, 2011 Report Posted August 28, 2011 I'll ignore your ridiculous math (I'm pretty sure someone making 150k buys more than $15 worth of stuff) and ask you this: Do you think someone making 150k consumes the same as someone making 50k and just pockets the remaining 100k and cackles maniacally at the lowly peasants? Nope, he consumes more and therefore pays more taxes. While it is true that a person who spends more will pay more, it is also true that a person with a fixed or lower income must consume many of the same products as a richer person, thereby using a much greater percentage of their income to survive. Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
Wilber Posted August 28, 2011 Report Posted August 28, 2011 I don't think you can blame this clusterfluk all on Campbell, I didn't hear allot of decent from the rest the BC Neo-Liberal party members. I think you have to blame the whole party. Is this their "sponsorship scandal"? Will it kill them in the next election ? Campbell was a micro manager. If you want total control, total responsibility goes with the territory. As far as I am concerned, their future depends on how they deal with the hand they have been dealt. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
TimG Posted August 28, 2011 Report Posted August 28, 2011 While it is true that a person who spends more will pay more, it is also true that a person with a fixed or lower income must consume many of the same products as a richer person, thereby using a much greater percentage of their income to survive.A poor person spends a large fraction of their income that stuff that is not taxed. i.e. rent and food. Plus they get the rebate. A poor person would have been better off with the HST than without. Quote
PIK Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 The HST is the best tax we can have , it just has to be implemented in a better way. The people of BC just screwed themselves bigtime. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Locutus Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 It was 1.6 billion and it will have to be paid back. Kevin Falcon said today that a repayment schedule will be negotiated with the Feds. It will be interesting to see what form the PST will take when it is restored. Just about everyone agrees it needs improving no matter how they stood on the HST. It's too bad that Campbell was such a devious arrogant SOB in the way he imposed it. More than any other reason, that is why it failed. Good thing he didn`t succeed - otherwise BC would have been a Green Energy Superpower to rival Ontario Quote
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