Posc Student Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Who is the best Prime Minister Canada never had? John Manley was on both Power Play and Power & Politics today. On both shows he discussed the peoblems with the Liberals and that they needed to change. He said the problems with the Liberals have been building for years but that there is still room for a fiscally responsible government that is socially progressive. Manley mentioned that in the election some Liberals fled to the Conservative because they have handeled the economy well and that they were afraid of the NDP. He also said that he thinks the Harper majority is better for business, he doesn't know if the government's policies will end up being good for businesses but a stable government should be. The most interesting thing he said on Power & Politics was that the government needs to look at allowing provinces to experiment with private health care. He said that there are forms of private health care that work and forms that don't, he discussed a form that he thinks is good but I didn't pay enough attention to understand it. I think Manley would have made an excellent Prime Minister and could overtake Robert Stanfield as the best Prime Minister Canada never had. Edited May 11, 2011 by Posc Student Quote
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I think Manley would have made an excellent Prime Minister and could overtake Robert Stanfield as the best Prime Minister Canada never had. I so much agree. Robert Stanfield was the first casualty of "charisma" that I know of. A brilliant man, a great leader, everyone who ever saw him in person just raved about him, but he looked like an undertaker on the freaking TV. Great way to choose a government. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 We had him but he didn't get a real time to show what he was made of. Joe Clark. We should have given that man a chance at the very least. Oh and Tommy Douglas of course but that goes with out saying. Quote
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 We had him but he didn't get a real time to show what he was made of. Joe Clark. We should have given that man a chance at the very least. Oh and Tommy Douglas of course but that goes with out saying. If I ever had any doubts about my labeling Clark as a very red Tory, punked just made my day. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Smallc Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 We had him but he didn't get a real time to show what he was made of. Joe Clark. We should have given that man a chance at the very least. We did have him but his name was actually Paul Martin. Quote
punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 If I ever had any doubts about my labeling Clark as a very red Tory, punked just made my day. I liked Clark, never would have voted for him but he was a good man and he should have been given the chance to do something. His big head got in his own way though. Quote
Posc Student Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Posted May 11, 2011 There's also John Crosbie!!! Quote
punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 There's also John Crosbie!!! He can shove it! "Why are you yelling at me? I didn't take the fish from the God damn water, so don't go abusing me." Quote
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I think Manley would have made an excellent Prime Minister... After his conceited and unsophisticated musings that favoured disposing of the monarchy, uttered on the eve of the Queen's Golden Jubilee royal tour, I wouldn't want to see Manley anywhere but as far away as possible from the PMO. Quote
Posc Student Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Posted May 11, 2011 He can shove it! "Why are you yelling at me? I didn't take the fish from the God damn water, so don't go abusing me." He was right. Quote
punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 He was right. Of course it was the policies of his government to handle the Europeans who were taking all the fish with kid gloves that did cause the problem. So no he wasn't right in the least. Quote
Wild Bill Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 We had him but he didn't get a real time to show what he was made of. Joe Clark. We should have given that man a chance at the very least. Why? We already had a leftwing choice with Ed Broadbent and the NDP at the time. Clark would have been redundant. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Why? We already had a leftwing choice with Ed Broadbent and the NDP at the time. Clark would have been redundant. Broadbent was great but he was never in a winning position. I think Jack is there now but up until now we are really talking about Cons and Liberals that didn't win. I would take Tommy, Ed, Alexa, or Jack as PM. Quote
Posc Student Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Posted May 11, 2011 Of course it was the policies of his government to handle the Europeans who were taking all the fish with kid gloves that did cause the problem. So no he wasn't right in the least. Governments weren't the sole reason for the fishery collapsing and it also wasn't just the Mulroney government. This has nothing to do with the topic. Quote
punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Governments weren't the sole reason for the fishery collapsing and it also wasn't just the Mulroney government. This has nothing to do with the topic. It wasn't just the Mulroney government nope but it was mostly them sorry. He wanted so bad for free trade with the EU he sold out our fisherman and let all the fish be fished from under us. John Crosby played a huge role in that and refused to accept blame. Quote
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 It wasn't just the Mulroney government nope but it was mostly them sorry. He wanted so bad for free trade with the EU he sold out our fisherman and let all the fish be fished from under us. John Crosby played a huge role in that and refused to accept blame. The Canada Wheat Board sucks. Just thought I'd get us westerners back into the game. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I so much agree. Robert Stanfield was the first casualty of "charisma" that I know of. A brilliant man, a great leader, everyone who ever saw him in person just raved about him, but he looked like an undertaker on the freaking TV. Great way to choose a government. He also fumbled the ball. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 He also fumbled the ball. In what way, other than letting Trudeau look prettier than him? Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 In what way, other than letting Trudeau look prettier than him? No he actually means he fumbled the ball. A picture of Standfeild fumbling a football was a big part of the campaign. Quote
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 No he actually means he fumbled the ball. A picture of Standfeild fumbling a football was a big part of the campaign. Right. Now I remember. That's probably an even better reason for voting for the country destroying bastard. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Right. Now I remember. That's probably an even better reason for voting for the country destroying bastard. Or Trudeau's "Zap! You're frozen!" line relating to Stansfeld's advocacy about price controls. Of course Trudeau was right, until he changed his mind after the 1974 election. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Or Trudeau's "Zap! You're frozen!" line relating to Stansfeld's advocacy about price controls. Of course Trudeau was right, until he changed his mind after the 1974 election. The one I loved better was when he basically won an election by ridiculing Clark's proposed 10 cents a gallon tax on gasoline, then put an equivalent tax on everything that would burn as soon as he was elected. And the unwashed masses just kissed his you-know-what. Go figure. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 The one I loved better was when he basically won an election by ridiculing Clark's proposed 10 cents a gallon tax on gasoline, then put an equivalent tax on everything that would burn as soon as he was elected.And that was also the way the election was triggered, from what I remember from stateside. The NDP was expected to back the gas tax but Broadbent welched. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 And that was also the way the election was triggered, from what I remember from stateside. The NDP was expected to back the gas tax but Broadbent welched. Ah, yes, the NDP opportunists, even then. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Ah, yes, the NDP opportunists, even then. Not that Joe Who was all that impressive. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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