GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 No problem....we're always here for you when you need a helping hand. Same here... Why did you stick us with that dust up in Libya and then leave? Pay back? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Same here... Why did you stick us with that dust up in Libya and then leave? Pay back? er...Mission (sorta) Accomplished?? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 er...Mission (sorta) Accomplished?? HEY, never thought of that, you could be right, I see the distinct simularity... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
cybercoma Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 let the Bloc Quebecois into the governmentBlatant lies. The Bloc was not a formal member of the coalition. They simply agreed to lend their support to the LPC/NDP as the governing parties. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Blatant lies. The Bloc was not a formal member of the coalition. They simply agreed to lend their support to the LPC/NDP as the governing parties. Of course you're right... But these con ideologues don't want truth... They want bumper sticker invective!!! But it was OK in 2004... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
William Ashley Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Rebel Libya is shipping out 1 million barrels in the next few.... wonder who is buying that stolden Al Qaeda oil.. who buys from Al Qaeda? Yeah all that oil to fund a war.. wonder whose weapons they are buying? Wonder what their price is.. at market that is what 70+ million dollars? Also how can you buy oil illegally? Isn't that illegal? How does the law work for buying oil from a lawless state? or Terrorist organization? Set price pick up and maybe pay? Also don't they have money for guns with that 30 billion they stoled from Libya? Isn't 30 billion enough to buy some weapons? That is enough for the f35 ain't it? HEY REBELS THEY STOLE 30 BILLION DOLLARS, WHY DON'T YOU ASK FOR THAT AND SAVE THE OIL? Edited April 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
YEGmann Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Blatant lies. The Bloc was not a formal member of the coalition. They simply agreed to lend their support to the LPC/NDP as the governing parties. This is not so clear. What we know BQ did not share 24 ministers portfolios. Expanding government over the 24 was allowed and anticipated by the coalition agreement. Duceppe formally signed the agreement. In any case Bloc would have enormous power, having full control over the coalition government. It was even more than veto power. Edited April 5, 2011 by YEGmann Quote
cybercoma Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 This is not so clear. What we know BQ did not share 24 ministers portfolios. Expanding government over the 24 was allowed and anticipated by the coalition agreement. Duceppe formally signed the agreement. In any case Bloc would have enormous power, having full control over the coalition government. It was even more than veto power. In that sense, the Bloc has full control over the House, regardless of who is in power. This is the sad reality of our current political climate. They divide the House, making majority governments a difficult, but not impossible challenge. Any government is going to end up working with them at some point in time or another. This will be through tacit arrangements, since it's in neither the federalist parties' interests, nor the Bloc's interest to have a formal partnership with each other. Quote
William Ashley Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) In that sense, the Bloc has full control over the House, regardless of who is in power. This is the sad reality of our current political climate. They divide the House, making majority governments a difficult, but not impossible challenge. Any government is going to end up working with them at some point in time or another. This will be through tacit arrangements, since it's in neither the federalist parties' interests, nor the Bloc's interest to have a formal partnership with each other. OMG 80% of Quebec having a veto on how federal government functions -- the tyranny. Then you wonder why they have a party bent on spliting. I'm sure most other parts of Canada would be keen on that type of capacity too. With the conservatives you get Alberta and nothing else. Alberta doesn't adequettely represent a model that works for all of Canada, sorry, nothing against alberta but you can't take a girls dress and put it on a grown man, or an elephant collar and expect it to fit on a mouse. With the right 30% running the other 70% of Canada... it does not fit. Edited April 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
cybercoma Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 I don't disagree with the Bloc's right to exist, nor do I think they're the sole controllers of the House. This nothing more than a cute political game played by Conservative supporters. It's equally as absurd as saying the Conservatives are bent on tearing Canada apart by not supporting the other federalist powers, thusly giving control of the House to the Bloc. Harper is tearing this country apart by not working on a middle-ground with the LPC and NDP. No matter what the issues, all of them pale in comparison to the destruction of this country that a House controlled by the Bloc would bring. So, in a sense, it is the Harper Conservatives that are allowing this country to be torn apart. They're actually strengthening the separatist agenda. Equally as nonsensical, but I'm sure they don't see it that way. Quote
Bryan Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Blatant lies. The Bloc was not a formal member of the coalition. You're the one who is lying here. The Bloc's formal contractual membership in the coalition is an absolute fact. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) The Liberals and New Democrats signed an agreement on Monday to form an unprecedented coalition government, with a written pledge of support from the Bloc Québécois, if they are successful in ousting the minority Conservative government in a coming confidence vote.Read the full article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/12/01/coalition-talks.html I expect an apology for calling me a liar and for you to retract your statements about the Bloc being a member of the coalition in 2008. Edited April 5, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
GWiz Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 I expect an apology for calling me a liar and for you to retract your statements about the Bloc being a member of the coalition in 2008. Don't hold your breath my friend, just don't hold your breath, we need all the "good guys" we can get... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Bryan Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 I expect an apology for calling me a liar and for you to retract your statements about the Bloc being a member of the coalition in 2008. Nothing to retract. You're still lying, and I'm still right. Quote
YEGmann Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 In that sense, the Bloc has full control over the House, regardless of who is in power. No, you are wrong. BQ does not and did not have control over the HoC. Conservatives proved that since 2006. In the coalition agreement a role of BQ was prescribed. BQ was a crtitical part opf the 2008 coalition. Without the BQ formal participation, though without a minister position, the 2008 coalition was impossible. Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Nothing to retract. You're still lying, and I'm still right. You'll have to prove that.. It seems that you ARE a money giving partisan liar... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Bryan Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) You'll have to prove that.. It seems that you ARE a money giving partisan liar... See here's the thing. I'm telling the straight truth, and now TWO lefties have accused me of lying to cover up their own blatant dishonesty. It's a broken record, the typical M.O. of the left in Canada. The Bloc are formal signatories to the coalition contract. Their support is contractually obligated for 18 months. The LPC and NDP did not have enough seats on their own, it's the combination of all three parties provides that 18 month stability guarantee. Edited April 5, 2011 by Bryan Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 See here's the thing. I'm telling the straight truth, and now TWO lefties have accused me of lying to cover up their own blatant dishonesty. It's a broken record, the typical M.O. of the left in Canada. The Bloc are formal signatories to the coalition contract. Their support is contractually obligated for 18 months. The LPC and NDP did not have enough seats on their own, it's the combination of all three parties provides that 18 month stability guarantee. That's it...It's the two "lefties" that are ganging up on you... You've been demonstrably proven wrong,you have lied(just like the leader you paid for) and you won't admit it... You are liar,plain and simple.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 No, you are wrong. BQ does not and did not have control over the HoC. Conservatives proved that since 2006. In the coalition agreement a role of BQ was prescribed. BQ was a crtitical part opf the 2008 coalition. Without the BQ formal participation, though without a minister position, the 2008 coalition was impossible. And without the BQ's formal participation,Mr.Harpers 2004 "Co-Opalition" would not have been an option either... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Bryan Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 That's it...It's the two "lefties" that are ganging up on you... You've been demonstrably proven wrong,you have lied(just like the leader you paid for) and you won't admit it... You are liar,plain and simple.... It's not like I thought you had any credibility before, but this is classic. Are you claiming that the Bloc did not sign the coalition agreement? Or that their membership in that coalition was not contractually obligated for 18 months? Or are you just math challenged in thinking that the LPC and NDP had enough seats on their own? Quote
Bryan Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 And without the BQ's formal participation,Mr.Harpers 2004 "Co-Opalition" would not have been an option either... Option for what? Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Option for what? A snake and a liar... Perfect... Keep giving them your money... Edited April 5, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 It's not like I thought you had any credibility before, but this is classic. Are you claiming that the Bloc did not sign the coalition agreement? Or that their membership in that coalition was not contractually obligated for 18 months? Or are you just math challenged in thinking that the LPC and NDP had enough seats on their own? The agreement was signed to have the Liberals and the NDP have cabinet positions...The Bloc had no cabinet positions...Inotherwords,only the federlist party's would be formulating legislation and Mr. Duceppe's involvment was only to back up that legislation in the House for 18 months... Not terribly disimilar to the "Co-opalition plan your leader you paid for came up with in 2004... Why was it good in 2004 and not in 2008??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Bryan Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) The agreement was signed to have the Liberals and the NDP have cabinet positions...The Bloc had no cabinet positions...Inotherwords,only the federlist party's would be formulating legislation and Mr. Duceppe's involvment was only to back up that legislation in the House for 18 months... Not terribly disimilar to the "Co-opalition plan your leader you paid for came up with in 2004... Why was it good in 2004 and not in 2008??? Are you seriously trying to claim that only cabinet ministers are members of the governing party? In your head, Conservative backbenchers are actually opposition members then? What colour is the sky in your world anyway? 2004 had nothing to do with a coalition. Continuing to claim otherwise only further verifies the depths of your delusions. Edited April 5, 2011 by Bryan Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Are you seriously trying to claim that only cabinet ministers are members of the governing party? In your head, Conservative backbenchers are actually opposition members then? What colour is the sky in your world anyway? 2004 had nothing to do with a coalition. Continuing to claim otherwise only further verifies the depths of your delusions. Aw...Poor bought and paid for Harperite... When you don't like your lies thrown back in your face,claim higher intelligence... We know... 204 was no coaliton...It was a : Co-Opalition Coaliperation Co-opulation Co-opalooza But it was'nt a coalition of opposition party's signing a letter that outlined to the GG that if the Martin gov't fell,it was in her constitutional perview to ask the opposition if they could lead the gov't...Of course,this did'nt mean that Mr. Harper and his fellow "Co-Opalitionists" were'nt prepared to take power... NNNoooo..Not Mr. Harper,with thehelp of those dirty seperatists and socialists... Because your Dear Leader would never stoop that low... He would never align himself with those who might break up this country...Or instruct his MP's to hold up committee's...Or try to usurp the parlaimentary process by ignoring the demands of Parliament... Becuase he's "Here for Canada!" and he's "Standing Up for Canada!" Look... You are admitted partisam hack,who's actually put his own money up to assist the party that represents your partisan views... I'm not shocked a partisan,such as yourself,does'nt have the personal courage to admit he's a liar.. But you've been outed...And you now have zero credibility... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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