GostHacked Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 bonam's reason for posting this thread is not because he cares for the lebanese people. he posted it because he wants to take the opportunity to further defame the enemy of his state. I will assume you mean Israel being Bonam's enemy state. if he cared about the lebanese people, he would not have supported israel's carpet bombing of lebanon a few years ago. This makes no sense given the first part of your statement. Quote
Bonam Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Posted January 13, 2011 bonam's reason for posting this thread is not because he cares for the lebanese people. he posted it because he wants to take the opportunity to further defame the enemy of his state. if he cared about the lebanese people, he would not have supported israel's carpet bombing of lebanon a few years ago. Lebanon is not Israel's enemy, though Hezbollah is. In fact, if extremist groups in Lebanon could be brought under control, Lebanon would be one of the best candidate states in the area for Israel to make peace with, as it has historically been a diverse and tolerant state including people of many religious and ethnic groups. I care for the Lebanese people no less than (and no more than) the people of other states that I have no particular relation to (for example, I'd care about Canada more). I never supported any carpet bombing of Lebanon (no carpet bombing happened). I do believe that Israel had a right and a duty to respond in some way to Hezbollah's attacks against it and the abduction of Israeli soldiers. How is the instability of Gaza and West Bank helping defeat Hamas? How will it help Hezbollah? Will the barrier be expanded in order to protect Israel? Neighboring states that are stable and without conflict don't (well not often anyways) go around invading neighboring countries. Indeed, stability in Lebanon would be in everyone's best interest, except of course that of Syria and Iran and their puppet, Hezbollah. Hamas and Hezbollah thrive on instability, extremist groups always do. We can only hope Lebanon will remain stable despite Hezbollah's best efforts, but only time will tell. Quote
Bonam Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Posted January 13, 2011 Here's a decent article on what might be up next on this situation: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/world/middleeast/14lebanon.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 It looks like Lebanon is likely headed towards months of stalemate, with neither Hezbollah nor the Hariri faction wanting to escalate the situation. Quote
bud Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 I will assume you mean Israel being Bonam's enemy state. enemy of his state would be hezbollah. his state would be israel. This makes no sense given the first part of your statement. i hope it makes sense now. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 How is the instability of Gaza and West Bank helping defeat Hamas? How will it help Hezbollah? Will the barrier be expanded in order to protect Israel? Neighboring states that are stable and without conflict don't (well not often anyways) go around invading neighboring countries. instability in lebanon would make hezbollah focus on the infighting (or possible civil war) between the different groups in lebanon, like the sunnis and christians. this would weaken hezbollah and not allow them to restock and strengthen in case of another israeli attack on them. israel has been worried since their failed attack on lebanon a few years ago that hezbollah has continued to grow their arsenal through syria and iran. this is why israel has talked about another attack on lebanon. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
GostHacked Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 instability in lebanon would make hezbollah focus on the infighting (or possible civil war) between the different groups in lebanon, like the sunnis and christians. this would weaken hezbollah and not allow them to restock and strengthen in case of another israeli attack on them. israel has been worried since their failed attack on lebanon a few years ago that hezbollah has continued to grow their arsenal through syria and iran. this is why israel has talked about another attack on lebanon. So it seems you support an attack on Lebanon when it is not warranted this time. Israel should blame itself for not fixing the Lebanon issue last time. Now that instability also is a threat to Israel's security. If Iran is a terror supporting state, then Iran would benefit from this infighting, because Israel would put more focus on that while Iran does some operations. I think that is the real reason Israel is a bit nervous with this situation. Quote
bud Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 So it seems you support an attack on Lebanon when it is not warranted this time. i definitely do not support any attacks from anybody. Israel should blame itself for not fixing the Lebanon issue last time. israel is nervous about any state that does not accept their occupation and treatment of palestinians. most of the surrounding states have been bought by incentives going to the dictatorships in power, by the US. for exmaple, the millions egypt and jordan receive every year. Now that instability also is a threat to Israel's security. it would be if hezbollah took control of lebanon, which they can't and will not. support for them comes from a minority. just like the support for the 2 other major groups. If Iran is a terror supporting state, then Iran would benefit from this infighting, because Israel would put more focus on that while Iran does some operations. I think that is the real reason Israel is a bit nervous with this situation. that's a good point. iran would probably welcome any type of instability that takes attention and focus away from them. for example, they've been long time enemies of the taliban and also despise the group that is running kabul. but they welcome the fighting as it keeps the US busy there. iran is also quite friendly towards the government of iraq and despise the sunni groups that continue to keep the country unstable, however, i'm sure they don't mind the instability. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Bonam Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Posted January 25, 2011 New developments on this story: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/01/25/lebanon.protests/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn The Lebanese President has appointed Hezbollah-backed Najib Mikati to the position of Prime Minister. Lebanon is now merely one step away from being a state ruled directly by a terrorist organization. Quote
Rue Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Israel should blame itself for not fixing the Lebanon issue last time. Ah yes. Trot out the simplistic blame Israel card. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Ah yes. Trot out the simplistic blame Israel card. Meh, can't win either way in these threads, kind of reflecting the impasse this whole situation has come to. Neither entity wants to budge. One or the other will eventually be driven out one way or another. Who is the victor? I have no idea yet, but I would bet on Israel. Quote
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