New Group wants to talk about immigration reform

[bloodyminded]

So where's the difference? Except one is in power to force their belief.

No. the difference is that one has methodology, evidence, discovery, and practical application behind it; the other is a myth taken from an ancient book written by ancient people.

You seriously don't comprehend the difference?

1) You assume too much. Where's the evidence it's "my creationism"

If you're suggesting hat Creationism is equally valid a "theory" as is evolution--and you are implying exactly that--then you are no more rational than the Creationists, whether you consider yourself one or not.

I don't even know how to explain to you how ignorant the very argument is. I really don't. Creationists simply will not listen to reason...are in fact hostile to it.

2) What did evolutionist do with those animals? Stash them in a drawer? How they disappeared? Too much logging in the rain forest? Global warm up?

???

Are you now, honestly, doubting that species go extinct?

Even Creationists understand that species sometimes go extinct, Saipan!

O Sweet Godzilla on His Throne. Unbelievable.

Edited November 8, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Michael Hardner]

Saipan,

There are plenty of threads on here where climate change (and the reason for the name change) and evolution are explained. Discussing it here is too much thread drift.

[Saipan]

You seriously don't comprehend the difference?

Between your theory and a strawman. Not much difference.

Are you now, honestly, doubting that species go extinct?

Another one of your strawmen. If I was doubting it I would buy sabretooth tiger tag for next hunting season.

But you fail - again - to state what do scientist atribute extinction of mammoth to? Global warm up? CO2?

It's not so long ago, shouldn't they know?

Why would science claim coelacanth is exctinct 60 million year and then found them alive and well?

Is Megalodong exctinct, and if so how long?

Edited November 8, 2010 by Saipan

[Shwa]

Is Megalodong exctinct, and if so how long?

Megalodong is not extinct, just retired. And doing the odd TV show now and then.

[Michael Hardner]

We're drifting again...

With regards to creationism - religions are allowed to preach this, if they like. The Catholic church, for example, considers that the creation story of the bible is mythical (excepting that God, of course, created the universe at some point) and leaves it up to individuals. Evolution is taught in Catholic schools and Pope John Paul II was said to be a believer in evolution.

The education system is supposed to provide individuals with the intellectual tools that allow them to live in society, which includes the idea that the scientific method, and the body of knowledge that is science, is a closer approximation to the truth of how our universe works than religion is.

As such, religion has to take a subordinate role in our education system in many instances where those rights clash. All religions enjoy freedom to practice, and the limits on religious expression that must occur should apply as equally as humanly possible.

[Saipan]

Megalodong is not extinct, just retired. And doing the odd TV show now and then.

You gonna be a scientist yet

[Saipan]

We're drifting again...

Why are you drifting again?

I'd call it ducking a simple question.

The Catholic church, for example, considers that the creation story of the bible is mythical

I know mighty little about the Bible, you have to discuss that with some Christian.

(excepting that God, of course, created the universe at some point)

And you think it was The Great Itself, or Mother Nature? You have evidence?

Edited November 8, 2010 by Saipan

[Michael Hardner]

Why are you drifting again?

I'd call it ducking a simple question.

Ok. Well asking detailed questions about evolution in a thread about immigration is off-topic.

Ask to the question itself - my answer is "I don't know when that animal became extinct."

[Saipan]

Well asking detailed questions about evolution in a thread about immigration is off-topic.

Very valid ducking. Not sure how we got there

[Battletoads]

I don't know whats uncanadian about barring people who don't believe in basic Canadian values from immigrating here. Seems like a very Canadian thing to do...

Edited November 11, 2010 by Battletoads

[Michael Hardner]

I don't know whats uncanadian about barring people who don't believe in basic Canadian values from immigrating here. Seems like a very Canadian thing to do...

It's a question of implementation. You could add a checkbox that says "I believe in Canadian values - YES or NO" but how effective would that be ?

[Argus]

It's a question of implementation. You could add a checkbox that says "I believe in Canadian values - YES or NO" but how effective would that be ?

Have you ever had a look at the internal testing the federal government puts employees through for competitions? I've written a fair number of them, and if there is one overriding theme I would say it is behavioural testing. The government tries to promote those who are more into team building, have better communications skills, are less likely to have emotional disputes with fellow employees, and will handle them properly when they do have disputes. Some of these tests are hours long with scores of questions along the lines of "what would you do if". Is this imperfect? Sure. But if the government does all that when selecting employees should it not at least try something similar when selecting new Canadians?

[Michael Hardner]

But if the government does all that when selecting employees should it not at least try something similar when selecting new Canadians?

That's quite a high bar, given that immigrants aren't expected to necessarily be at the same skill set as a civil service worker (please withhold jokes here) and mastery of English wouldn't necessarily be there.

There is a questionnaire now, as I understand...

[Argus]

That's quite a high bar, given that immigrants aren't expected to necessarily be at the same skill set as a civil service worker (please withhold jokes here) and mastery of English wouldn't necessarily be there.

There is a questionnaire now, as I understand...

I'm sure we could have these tests translated into the languages of the major immigrant producing countries.

Alternatively, we could do our best to direct our efforts at recruitment towards those parts of the world where we are least likely to encounter cultural value sets which are inimical to our own.

[Saipan]

It's a question of implementation. You could add a checkbox that says "I believe in Canadian values - YES or NO" but how effective would that be ?

Very.

Khadr family would be kicked out of here long ago.