Justice for Pedophiles

[lukin]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/judge+sets+precedent+abuse+case/3284047/story.html

I can't believe this creep gets a 2 and a half year sentence for destroying the life of an innocent child. This judge is setting a precedent with this unusually "stiff" sentence. Who is responsible for letting pedophiles walk away after 18 months? Why isn't the public in an outrage over this?

[Smallc]

Maybe the precedent was already set?

[Argus]

Maybe the precedent was already set?

If so, it was set too bloody low. Hell, he'd have gotten more than 2 years in many places just for downloading some pictures from the internet.

[Smallc]

it definitely was set too low, I was just saying that we shouldn't be too quick to blame one particular judge.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Smallc

[Argus]

it definitely was set too low, I was just saying that we shouldn't be too quick to blame one particular judge.

I wasn't blaming him. I was blaming an idiotic system which set the precedent of 9 months or so when the same system puts people in prison for two years for downloading some pictures off the internet. It's moronic.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Argus

[Mr.Canada]

This is why I want Judges elected on a term basis. Make them accountable to us instead of themselves.

[Smallc]

That would do very little to nothing in a case like this. All it would serve to do is to eliminate judicial independence. You don't like a sentence...then change a law.

[Mr.Canada]

That would do very little to nothing in a case like this. All it would serve to do is to eliminate judicial independence. You don't like a sentence...then change a law.

I disagree it would do a lot. If an elected judge handed out such a light sentence for a terrible crime you can bet that it would be his or her last term on the bench. Give more power to the people, as it is now we have no control over who sits and who doesn't.

[Smallc]

IF it was precedence that had already been set, the judge had little choice in this case. If it wasn't, they probably had some leeway, but were constrained by other decisions in other matters.

Let me put it this way: you know nothing about common law. I don't want you deciding whether or not a judge has done something right or wrong.

[Wild Bill]

Let me put it this way: you know nothing about common law. I don't want you deciding whether or not a judge has done something right or wrong.

As opposed to our present system, where in practice NOBODY decides?

When's the last time you heard of a judge being asked to step down for giving sentences contrary to public opinion? Hell, Harper would be happy if they just followed the minimums! Overwhelming judges are obviously refusing to give anything but the least they can get away with...

[Argus]

IF it was precedence that had already been set, the judge had little choice in this case. If it wasn't, they probably had some leeway, but were constrained by other decisions in other matters.

Let me put it this way: you know nothing about common law. I don't want you deciding whether or not a judge has done something right or wrong.

Let me put it another way. Since you were too lazy to actually read the cite, much less look up others, you don't really have a clue what you're talking about. So maybe you should just stop talking, eh?

[bjre]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/judge+sets+precedent+abuse+case/3284047/story.html

I can't believe this creep gets a 2 and a half year sentence for destroying the life of an innocent child. This judge is setting a precedent with this unusually "stiff" sentence. Who is responsible for letting pedophiles walk away after 18 months? Why isn't the public in an outrage over this?

Nothing to surprise. Had any child abuser in residential schools be punished? http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/genocide.pdf

This report is another crap that CAS or the law makers want to show to public and control the public opinion so that CAS and the legal system can take more money from tax payers.

They don't want public to know how children abused in care of CAS.

Just like media report several thugs smashing windows but don't display 10s of thousands people peaceful protest.

It is an age of mainstream media misleading.

Edited July 16, 2010 by bjre

[Smallc]

Let me put it another way. Since you were too lazy to actually read the cite, much less look up others, you don't really have a clue what you're talking about. So maybe you should just stop talking, eh?

You're right, I didn't read (I make a habit of not reading that National Post). The fact remains that the precedent was already set, and anything more than 2 years (which may already be too much) would have resulted in a problem on appeal. The precedent has already been set, and changing it can be very difficult. If a sentence is seen as out of step, it can be rejected at a higher level.

[charter.rights]

This is why I want Judges elected on a term basis. Make them accountable to us instead of themselves.

You don't have the capacity to even know what the law is, let alone pass judgment on any judge doing his job under the law. Sorry, you are not smart enough to second-guess court decisions.

(And you do realize that a stay is not a dismissal of the charges? Think about that the next time you want to lead a brigade into the firing line...)

Edited July 16, 2010 by charter.rights

[Argus]

You're right, I didn't read (I make a habit of not reading that National Post).

You don't think that responding to a post about a story while being too self-righteous to read the story because it's on a newspaper you disapprove of makes you kind of a nitwit?

The fact remains that the precedent was already set, and anything more than 2 years (which may already be too much) would have resulted in a problem on appeal.

And we wouldn't want to do anything which would create problems would we? Better to let fundamental injustices occur over and over again.

[Argus]

You don't have the capacity to even know what the law is, let alone pass judgment on any judge doing his job under the law. Sorry, you are not smart enough to second-guess court decisions.

This from a guy who takes the moniker Charter Rights but is too lazy to actually read the Charter of Rights.

[ToadBrother]

Let me put it this way: you know nothing about common law. I don't want you deciding whether or not a judge has done something right or wrong.

Mr. Canada doesn't know a lot about pretty much everything. Apparently he is pretty good with a video camera, however.

[charter.rights]

This from a guy who takes the moniker Charter Rights but is too lazy to actually read the Charter of Rights.

I have defended the Charter of Rights and the Constitution, dolt. You are the one void of understanding.

[Mr.Canada]

You don't have the capacity to even know what the law is, let alone pass judgment on any judge doing his job under the law. Sorry, you are not smart enough to second-guess court decisions.

(And you do realize that a stay is not a dismissal of the charges? Think about that the next time you want to lead a brigade into the firing line...)

Judges being appointed doesn't make them accountable to anyone. If we vote judges on the bench then they'd be accountable to the general public. Since that's who the judges are there to protect I find it only fair we get to decide to protects us.

You now support being represented without having voted for it? I'm shocked.

Make Judges and Senators accountable to the people not themselves. This is pretty much common sense, I don't see how people could have a problem with this. We tried the Liberal approach of being soft on crime and it didn't work, time for something new.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[GostHacked]

I think if we look at the justice system overall, you are going to find many sentences that seem to be way below the price for the crime committed.

[Bonam]

If so, it was set too bloody low. Hell, he'd have gotten more than 2 years in many places just for downloading some pictures from the internet.

Heh did any of you guys read the article? The precedent was indeed already set, at 9-18 months. In fact, the crown prosecutor only asked for two years! The judge singlehandedly took it upon himself to break with precedent and impose this much harsher 2.5 year sentence

[charter.rights]

Judges being appointed doesn't make them accountable to anyone. If we vote judges on the bench then they'd be accountable to the general public. Since that's who the judges are there to protect I find it only fair we get to decide to protects us.

You now support being represented without having voted for it? I'm shocked.

Make Judges and Senators accountable to the people not themselves. This is pretty much common sense, I don't see how people could have a problem with this. We tried the Liberal approach of being soft on crime and it didn't work, time for something new.

You don't understand how the justice system works. Judges are not represented to defend OUR interests. They are appointed by the Crown, to defend the Crown's interests.

Statistically, incarceration only works about 20% of the time. More jail time isn't the answer. So I'll go back to a premise that I made a while ago- that crime is a sickness - a departure from good mindedness and from good moral decisions. Sometimes it is from stupidity or by error and that would warrant minor sentences or alternative measures. But those that are sick need to be treated for their sickness. Sometimes that is impossible and long-term incarceration is warranted. However many can be cured since this type of insanity is often only temporary and treatable with pharmaceuticals or therapy.

Justice is ensuring that society is restored as if the crime never occurred. However, our systems does not do that. It isolates the offender from the victim and shelters him or her from the court. It puts their lives on hold and ignores restoration to the victim. Thus when an offender is incarcerated they have to wait out their future and most likely while in prison learn to become better criminals or to make affiliations with gangs that will protect and shelter their crime from punishment. Our current system is broken and taking away discretionary authority from judges and courts will not make it better. Rather you extreme right wing mentality only serves to make it worse. You can blame yourself for the state of sentencing and repeat offenders. You attitudes are what is causing it.

[Smallc]

You don't understand how the justice system works. Judges are not represented to defend OUR interests. They are appointed by the Crown, to defend the Crown's interests.

That's not really what they do. That's what the Crown Attorneys do.

[Mr.Canada]

I've spent 5 + years of my life in prison so I think I'm well aware of how the justice system works. I can describe in great detail the insides of many prisons that I've been in if anyone doubts me. I come complete with prison tattoos to prove it but people here are too scared to meet me in person they'd rather post here where they're safe.

So people who commit murders and rapes should be free to walk the streets with no punishment and are merely misunderstood according to you.

That is insane and no one is buying that anymore.

People that choose to operate outside our laws deserve to separated from the rest of us and in prison. I personally don't care what happens to a murderer or rapist.

Why don't you go and meet some victims of rapes and murders and tell them that there husbands, daughters, sisters, brothers murder or rapist doesn't belong in prison and should be free to live next door to anyone of us.

Further, if these animals didn't get let out on bail by our Liberal judges many atrocities would be avoided. One guy was just sentenced in Canada for raping and murdering a 22 year old woman while out on bail. He was in the country illegally to begin with a false passport but does Canada deport him? No we give him refugee status. Does he get deported after committing his first rape in Canada no of coarse not, the courts give him bail. While on bail he rapes and murders again.

This is what's wrong with Canada , it's stupid bleeding hearts that are causing Canada's citizens to die.

What will happen to the judge who let this animal out on bail? Nothing. If we voted in our judges we could make sure he doesn't sit on the bench ever again.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Hydraboss]

So people who commit murders and rapes should be free to walk the streets with no punishment and are merely misunderstood according to you.

That is insane and no one is buying that anymore.

People that choose to operate outside our laws deserve to separated from the rest of us and in prison. I personally don't care what happens to a murderer or rapist.

Why don't you go and meet some victims of rapes and murders and tell them that there husbands, daughters, sisters, brothers murder or rapist doesn't belong in prison and should be free to live next door to anyone of us.

Mr. Canada - three points:

1) You are correct that there are far too many rapists/murderers and their ilk that receive minor or no sentences. Take for instance the "new Canadian" mother that brought her daughter to Canada for a better life, got mad, and strangled her to death with a scarf. Sentence yesterday.....three years probation because "time in jail would only serve vengence".

2) You are full of shit. "Spent 5+ years in prison", "watched gay intercourse in public", etc, etc. Are you actually under the impression that anyone believes you? If so, you are deluded.

3) Why must you insist on sounding like a goddamn moron on this board? Calling everyone that disagrees with you a "socialist" reinforces the common belief that you are mentally retarded (not completely, just partially). I, and others like me, are "the right wing" in this country. Posters like you are the ones who give fodder to the "other side" for their comments that we are extremists, mentally deficient, have small dicks, and like barn animals. Please stop typing what you're thinking. Just stop. Go somewhere quiet and try to read your favorite book "See Spot Dick Jane" or something.

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