Guest TrueMetis Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 That's the excuse everyone uses. Even before we got there, we were lightyears ahead of their shitty technology. Heck, blacks think they "invented" peanut butter. Let me assure you, they were not the first people to come up with it, and peanut butter is a damn recipe, not an invention. Ah the myth of constant European superiority. You know except for the 30000 years of them being the back water hicks of the old world. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 25, 2010 Report Posted August 25, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EoOZKjAjlk&feature=related Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shwa Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 And yet your post still makes no sense. How did the Nazi's government prove to be unorganized after the war was over? That makes no sense. Keep trying. Because they weren't organized enough to avoid being wholly conquered by a multi-cultural force called "The Allies." Quote
Bonam Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Umm the Nazis were wrong and evil in many ways, and made many terrible and unforgivable mistakes, but being unorganized was not one of their flaws. Nazi Germany was a very organized nation. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 (edited) I don't now what's funnier, the fact that you think the Holocaust was as bad as they make it out to be, or the fact that you're trying to compare a Tribal Genocide versus a Racial one. The Jews were foreign invaders to Europe, excluding the Ashkenazi Jews who are converts, however their culture is foreign. The European Jews were...European! Even the staggering number of murder victims were European. (And by the way...even if they weren't, they were murdered by Europeans...yes? Maybe? Or was it the Africans?) This is all true even if the Holocaust wasn't "as bad as they [who?] make it out to be." (Which it was, by the way, but that's not relevant to your other errors here.) Edited August 26, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Kanadischer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 (edited) Ah the myth of constant European superiority. You know except for the 30000 years of them being the back water hicks of the old world. That's pretty good...except I never once stated we were better, just simply stated that blacks didn't invent peanut butter. I love it when people attempt to twist my words to make me out to be a "bad guy", but then fail Because they weren't organized enough to avoid being wholly conquered by a multi-cultural force called "The Allies." Hahaha, I don't what's more comical, the fact that you think being defeated is signs of an "unorganized government"; or the fact that you think Germany could have won a war they were fighting on three fronts. The Allies far outnumbered the Germans, and were approaching from three directions into Berlin. Not to mention that Germany was fighting a war of three fronts. One in Africa, another in the west, and in the east. They faced millions upon millions of Russians, Brits, Americans, and Canadians; they didn't stand much chance. The fact that they lost a war, does not mean they were unorganized whatsoever. Quit making assumptions about something you have no clue about. Like others have stated on here, National Socialist Germany was an extremely organized government. The allies won with numbers, not with wits. The European Jews were...European! Even the staggering number of murder victims were European. (And by the way...even if they weren't, they were murdered by Europeans...yes? Maybe? Or was it the Africans?) This is all true even if the Holocaust wasn't "as bad as they [who?] make it out to be." (Which it was, by the way, but that's not relevant to your other errors here.) Yes, the European Jews were European, but not culturally. A European does not celebrate Hanukkah, a European does not go through "Brit Milah (Circumcision)", nor do they have a Bar Mitzvah, or mikvaot, a ritual cleansing bath...Europe was not founded on Judaism, therefore it's not a European religion and culture. Just because your blood is European, does not mean you yourself are European. I would not consider a white Muslim to be European, for the sole fact that they have European blood. European is more than a blood. That depends on what figures you use for "murder victims". According to the Red Cross, only 280,000 people died in the Holocaust, and they released a 1000 page report to the Nürnberg officials which was denied. Document: http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nsm88.org/images/holocaustredcross.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.eutimes.net/2007/10/international-red-cross-holocaust-report-finally-released/&usg=__f1JAZHkAbBLxsbNFbkk2AkS1e1A=&h=537&w=601&sz=88&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=_fhsSOIbltvkcM:&tbnh=166&tbnw=186&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dred%2Bcross%2Bconcentration%2Bcamp%2Bdocuments%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1C1GGGE_enCA356CA356%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D651%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=142&vpy=84&dur=1823&hovh=212&hovw=238&tx=142&ty=88&ei=_Hp2TNG5NYL7lwfUhMXsCw&oei=_Hp2TNG5NYL7lwfUhMXsCw&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0 I am not denying the Holocaust, so all of you can cut the crap. I am simply showing you evidence from the other side of the table. In the document above, you can clearly see the name of the camp, and the deathtoll. If you do not speak/read German, than a translator can solve that pretty quickly however it's pretty straight-forward. Edited August 26, 2010 by Kanadischer Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
M.Dancer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 That's pretty good...except I never once stated we were better, just simply stated that blacks didn't invent peanut butter. I love it when people attempt to twist my words to make me out to be a "bad guy", but then fail I remember when you said that first... As it turns out Carver never even invented peanut butter, peanuts were mashed into paste by Aztecs hundreds of years ago. Evidence of modern peanut butter comes from US patent #306727 issued to Marcellus Gilmore Edson of Montreal, Quebec in 1884, for a process of milling roasted peanuts between heated surfaces until the peanuts reached “a fluid or semi-fluid state".... I actually saw his expo at McGill last year Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bloodyminded Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Yes, the European Jews were European, but not culturally. A European does not celebrate Hanukkah, a European does not go through "Brit Milah (Circumcision)", nor do they have a Bar Mitzvah, or mikvaot, a ritual cleansing bath... Yes, some Europeans, by definition, do just that. In fact, there is nothing, not a thing, that all Europeans do that is distinctly European. So...what numbers are needed, what percentages, before it becomes a "properly" European exercise? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Kanadischer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 I remember when you said that first... I really like this Lictor fellow, he and I think a lot alike!! I am not Lictor. Clearly you are all retarded and are not very Techsavvy if you can't run a simple IP trace, or even google how to do it? Yes, some Europeans, by definition, do just that. In fact, there is nothing, not a thing, that all Europeans do that is distinctly European. So...what numbers are needed, what percentages, before it becomes a "properly" European exercise? Clearly the point of my previous post went right over your head I clearly stated it's about what Europe was founded on, and it was not founded on Judaism. This is my point, clearly stated. Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
bloodyminded Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Clearly the point of my previous post went right over your head I clearly stated it's about what Europe was founded on, and it was not founded on Judaism. This is my point, clearly stated. Well, my apologies for not quite understanding the transcendant clarity of your posts, but this doesn't matter. Societies change in various ways over time. And always have. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
charter.rights Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Well, my apologies for not quite understanding the transcendant clarity of your posts, but this doesn't matter. Societies change in various ways over time. And always have. If we are going to that extent then Europe was founded on paganism. Christianity was forced upon Europeans and expanded during the Crusades. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
M.Dancer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Europe was founded on the Eurasian plate....heck....everyone knows this. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Kanadischer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 If we are going to that extent then Europe was founded on paganism. Christianity was forced upon Europeans and expanded during the Crusades. Yes, it was, which is why I am a Wotanist. I believe it is the religion of my people, and it is older than Christianity itself. Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
Kanadischer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 (edited) Error: Double Post. Edited August 26, 2010 by Kanadischer Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
M.Dancer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Yes, it was, which is why I am a Wotanist. I believe it is the religion of my people, and it is older than Christianity itself. Wotanism was founded by David Lane, a white racist who died in jail. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Kanadischer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Wotanism was founded by David Lane, a white racist who died in jail. I know who he is, he's an idiot. He did not found it so much as popularize it. It's a form of Germanic Odinism and has been around longer than Christianity. I identify as a Wotanist because it is the German form of Odinist. Pretty much the same thing. Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
Jack Weber Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 I know who he is, he's an idiot. He did not found it so much as popularize it. It's a form of Germanic Odinism and has been around longer than Christianity. I identify as a Wotanist because it is the German form of Odinist. Pretty much the same thing. I suppose you're also a fan of the Thule Society? Madame Helena Blavatsky? Alastair(sp) Crowley? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Kanadischer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 I suppose you're also a fan of the Thule Society? Madame Helena Blavatsky? Alastair(sp) Crowley? Thule Gesellschaft und Vril Gesellschaft, Natürlich! Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
M.Dancer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 I know who he is, he's an idiot. He did not found it so much as popularize it. It's a form of Germanic Odinism and has been around longer than Christianity. I identify as a Wotanist because it is the German form of Odinist. Pretty much the same thing. Wotanism has been around for no more than 50 years. Odinism for less than 80 years. Similarly, Druidism has been around since the 60s. The only connection between these neo pagan beliefs and the real McCoys is the names. Norse and Germanic Paganism ceased to exist by the beginning of the Middle Ages.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Thule Gesellschaft und Vril Gesellschaft, Natürlich! Naturally. They were what could be described as total nutters. Hollow earth---Hollow skull Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 (edited) That's pretty good...except I never once stated we were better, just simply stated that blacks didn't invent peanut butter. I love it when people attempt to twist my words to make me out to be a "bad guy", but then fail Well actually what you stated was. That's the excuse everyone uses. Even before we got there, we were lightyears ahead of their shitty technology. Heck, blacks think they "invented" peanut butter. Let me assure you, they were not the first people to come up with it, and peanut butter is a damn recipe, not an invention. Which of course is only true in the minds of fools ignorant of history. I know who he is, he's an idiot. He did not found it so much as popularize it. It's a form of Germanic Odinism and has been around longer than Christianity. I identify as a Wotanist because it is the German form of Odinist. Pretty much the same thing. Wotanism is the name of a racial religion promulgated by David Lane. Wotan is the German name for the Germanic god known in Norse as Odin. Lane's Wotanism is distinctly different and separate from Odinism, which is a type of Germanic neopaganism.Based on the essay entitled Wotan by Carl Jung, the term Wotanism in modern times heavily emphasizes white supremacy and National Socialism (NS). W.O.T.A.N. is also used as an acronym for Will Of The Aryan Nation, used by some Wotanists. My link If you're not lictor you're a carbon copy. Edited August 26, 2010 by TrueMetis Quote
Shwa Posted August 26, 2010 Report Posted August 26, 2010 Hahaha, I don't what's more comical, the fact that you think being defeated is signs of an "unorganized government"; or the fact that you think Germany could have won a war they were fighting on three fronts. The Allies far outnumbered the Germans, and were approaching from three directions into Berlin. Not to mention that Germany was fighting a war of three fronts. One in Africa, another in the west, and in the east. They faced millions upon millions of Russians, Brits, Americans, and Canadians; they didn't stand much chance. The fact that they lost a war, does not mean they were unorganized whatsoever. Quit making assumptions about something you have no clue about. Like others have stated on here, National Socialist Germany was an extremely organized government. The allies won with numbers, not with wits. One would think an "organized government" wouldn't start another war with basically the same folk that kicked their arses a mere 21 years earlier and if they did, they would be "organized" enough to cope with a war on many fronts or ensure that the war didn't escalate to more than one front in the first place. They were as "organized" as their scatter-brained and panic stricken Fuhrer and degenerated more as the war moved along. However, my point works with timing in that just as Germany was being subjugated - again - by a superior group of multi-cutural allies, the German government collapsed into an example of the "least organized government." Quote
Kanadischer Posted August 27, 2010 Report Posted August 27, 2010 Which of course is only true in the minds of fools ignorant of history. I know what Wotanism is today, however it's original meaning had nothing to do with David Lane. Until he showed up, it was not well-known. Nowadays, it's well-known, but for the wrong things. I know many who can't stand racism in the slightest bit, and I know others who think they're superior and blah blah blah. Yes I stated our technology was superior, which it was...If you think otherwise, I think it's you who is letting your white guilt blind the yourself from the facts. You don't want to admit that Europeans had better technology in fear of being called a racist; that's grand Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
Kanadischer Posted August 27, 2010 Report Posted August 27, 2010 ame='Kanadischer' date='26 August 2010 - 10:30 AM' timestamp='1282833034' post='573968'] One would think an "organized government" wouldn't start another war with basically the same folk that kicked their arses a mere 21 years earlier and if they did, they would be "organized" enough to cope with a war on many fronts or ensure that the war didn't escalate to more than one front in the first place. They were as "organized" as their scatter-brained and panic stricken Fuhrer and degenerated more as the war moved along. However, my point works with timing in that just as Germany was being subjugated - again - by a superior group of multi-cutural allies, the German government collapsed into an example of the "least organized government." Hitler was no tactician, although he liked to think of himself as one. He didn't know how to control the army, and that is why they lost. He should have listened to his generals and let them do the planning; that's what they're there for! This argument was not about why they lost the war, or even the fact that they lost in the first place; it was about an "unorganized government", as you put it. Many users here, including myself, have already told you that they were an extremely organized government. Give it up, you lost. Quote "German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves." Waffen SS General Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 27, 2010 Report Posted August 27, 2010 Yes I stated our technology was superior, which it was...If you think otherwise, I think it's you who is letting your white guilt blind the yourself from the facts. You don't want to admit that Europeans had better technology in fear of being called a racist; that's grand Except the vast majority of technology Europe got until the renaissance came from other parts of the world, and even then most of their "new" technology was really just rediscovering things people had figured out 2000 years ago. Europe didn't gain a clear technological lead until the industrial revolution, and that didn't last very long because aside from the very top stuff that requires people with years of engineering experience most stuff can be built pretty easily now. Quote
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