Canada caters to France and their cultural ideologies

[CANADIEN]

Your trust in politicians is astounding.

I have never said a thing about trusting or not trusting politicians. When they come with something right, like the Charter of Rights, the official Languages Act or Ontario's French Language Services Act, I say they're doing something right. When municipal POLITICIANS in Sault Ste. Marie or provincial politicians in Quebec go against equality of all Canadians, I say they're wrong.

My argument has been the lack of referendums and or plebicites relating to important political issues.

I gave two important examples one relating to Trudeau's questionable political initatives (Official Language policy, Multicultural policy, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) and the attack by politicians relating to the Sault Ste. Marie English language resolution. Both of these examples should have been left to Canadians to decide for themselves via referendums or plebicites.

Excuse me while I chuckle.

Admit it, if the Official Language ACt had said something like "English is Canada's only official language and the use of French is prohibited in schools andin government buildings", you would not be complaining about the absence of a referendum. Neither would you if the Charter of Rights and Freedoms consisted of one sentence "All Canadians are free to be Christian and Anglo-Saxons, or assimilated", Or if the country's immigration policy could be summarized in one line "if you are not white and Christian, don't bother". We won't hear a word from you about the fact Sault Ste. Marie's POLITICIANS never held a referendum. If there were a referendum in Quebec tomorrow in favour of their language laws, I doubt you would be applauding it.

Everyone knows that the primary motivation behind your constant self-humiating rant is your dislike for people who dare to be different from you and won't accept second class status. As you have made clear time and time again, you would have preferred for French-speaking CANADIANS to just assimilate and vanish for history. Stop the hypocrisy, will you?

Edited April 1, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

I have never said a thing about trusting or not trusting politicians. When they come with something right, like the Charter of Rights, the official Languages Act or Ontario's French Language Services Act, I say they're doing something right.

That is not good enough. When politicians make major social or constitutional reforms, referendums should definately be expected.

When municipal POLITICIANS in Sault Ste. Marie or provincial politicians in Quebec go against equality of all Canadians, I say they're wrong.

Now you are against both English and French. You truly are a francophone citizen of the world.

Remember what you said in post #221.

Wrong. Quebec did not ask permission, did not get permission, did not need permission. Nor would the other provinces but so far they've had the good sense not to go that route.

Admit it, if the Official Language ACt had said something like "English is Canada's only official language and the use of French is prohibited in schools andin government buildings", you would not be complaining about the absence of a referendum.

Absolutely I would not be concerned and why should I as English speaking Canadians are the large majority and French speakers have Quebec.

That was a major controversy, where you had PM Pierre Trudeau a Quebec politician making major Canadian social changes without the consent of Canadians for the benefit of a minority French Quebec. How humiliating that was.

We won't hear a word from you about the fact Sault Ste. Marie's POLITICIANS never held a referendum. If there were a referendum in Quebec tomorrow in favour of their language laws, I doubt you would be applauding it.

You cannot expect to have it all. If French Quebec does not want to assimilate, then let them retain their official French languuage and the ROC their official English language. It really is no big deal.

Everyone knows that the primary motivation behind your constant self-humiating rant is your dislike for people who dare to be different from you and won't accept second class status.

My constant rant????.... You are the one that keeps replying.

As you have made clear time and time again, you would have preferred for French-speaking CANADIANS to just assimilate and vanish for history. Stop the hypocrisy, will you?

I am just wondering where all the money is coming from to accomplish all this linguistic reform, since the feds and provinces are always complaining about how cash strapped they are.

[CANADIEN]

Now you are against both English and French. You truly are a francophone citizen of the world.

Anyone who has a clue would know from what I wrote that I am against laws and policies that go against the rights of Canadians. Only an imbecile would conclude that I am against both French or English-speakers at the same time, or even anyone of these two groups.

Remember what you said in post #221.

And I remember that, with most everything, you don't get it. The Quebec Government did not need permission to do what it did. It does not make what they did right.

Absolutely I would not be concerned and why should I as English speaking Canadians are the large majority and French speakers have Quebec.

Thanks for proving that you want a referendum only when it suits you. Hypocrite.

You cannot expect to have it all. If French Quebec does not want to assimilate, then let them retain their official French languuage and the ROC their official English language. It really is no big deal.

I do not expect to have it all. I'll settle for the respects of the rights of all Canadians, including the rights of English-speakers in Quebec to a decent level of government services, full access to schooling in their language, being able to have English on their signs without having to measuring, and access to municipal services in English where the municipality rightly determines they should be provided. And yes, that they cannot get it is a HUGE deal.

BTW: I fully expect you'll make once again a fool of yourself with your "but the Quebec government will never do it" ducking manoeuvre. Either you are in favour of full language rights in Quebec, and that makes you an hypocrite for not wanting the same in all of Canada, or your hatred of the french language and those who speak it is such that you would rather say nothing in favour of equal rights in Quebec in fear of equal rights elsewhere.

Edited April 2, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Let's go back to two phrases that expose your true agenda (and ignorance)

English speaking Canadians are the large majority and French speakers have Quebec.

The FACT that majority does not constitute license to deny individual rights is beside the point. French-speakers have more than Quebec. I am not a Quebecer, and the French-speaking Canadians living outside Quebec are not either. I have Canada.

If French Quebec does not want to assimilate (...)

News to you (it should not be, but you keep not getting that simple fact): French-speaking Canadians, whether in or outside Quebec, do NOT need to assimilate to be Canadians.

Edited April 2, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Dithers]

The argument being put forward that France had nothin to do with the building of Canada is idiotic.

Why did the building of Canada begin the moment they were driven out? Because it suits the OP's deluded point of view?

Pointless thread, pointless argument.

[Leafless]

Either you are in favour of full language rights in Quebec, and that makes you an hypocrite for not wanting the same in all of Canada, or your hatred of the french language and those who speak it is such that you would rather say nothing in favour of equal rights in Quebec in fear of equal rights elsewhere.

I deplore any Nazi type policies and advocate a free and democratic society with linguistics kept on a personal level.

If Quebec wants to discriminate and linguistically exploit English speaking Canadians, it seems they have that right in Quebec.

If English speaking Canadians cannot tolerate different levels of linguistic discrimination in Quebec, then they should simply leave that province rather then complain, because there is no federal government that is going to help anyone in that predicament. This is due to the dysfunctional nature of federal governments in combination with confederation.

[Leafless]

News to you (it should not be, but you keep not getting that simple fact): French-speaking Canadians, whether in or outside Quebec, do NOT need to assimilate to be Canadians.

Thanks to Nazi language policies, which in effect forces English speaking Canadians to be assimlated into the French minority culture.

EQUALITY=NAZISM

[CANADIEN]

I deplore any Nazi type policies and advocate a free and democratic society with linguistics kept on a personal level.

Except when it comes to French-speaking Canadians, where assimilation is your goal. Spare us the hypocrisy, will you?

If English speaking Canadians cannot tolerate different levels of linguistic discrimination in Quebec, then they should simply leave that province

They should stay and fight for their rights.

[CANADIEN]

News to you (it should not be, but you keep not getting that simple fact): French-speaking Canadians, whether in or outside Quebec, do NOT need to assimilate to be Canadians.

Thanks to Nazi language policies, which in effect forces English speaking Canadians to be assimlated into the French minority culture.

Yoo really are cluesless, aren't you? The reason why I do not need to assimilate to be a Canadian is that I AM a Canadian, and so is my language, and so is my culture. Legislation simply recognizes that FACT.

As for the claim that English-speaking Canadians are being assimilated because there areroad signs in French AND English in New Brunswick, library services are offered in French AND Enlgish in Ottawa, and some post offices offer services in French AND English in Vancouver is so incredibly stupid that I was not expecting it even from you (and my expectations about you are very low already).

But hey, feel free to provide proof of your claim. How many Enlgish-speaking Canadian families have switched to using only French at home and in their daily lives since, let's say, 2001? Sure, you can provide numbers, right?

EQUALITY=NAZISM

Even Hitler would think this is an idiotic statement.

Edited April 4, 2010 by CANADIEN

[bloodyminded]

As for the claim that English-speaking Canadians are being assimilated because there areroad signs in French AND English in New Brunswick, library services are offered in French AND Enlgish in Ottawa, and some post offices offer services in French AND English in Vancouver is so incredibly stupid that I was not expecting it even from you (and my expectations about you are very low already).

It's truly an astonishing argument.

But hey, feel free to provide proof of your claim. How many Enlgish-speaking Canadian families have switched to using only French at home and in their daily lives since, let's say, 2001? Sure, you can provide numbers, right?

I'm sure it hovers around the frightening number of zero or so.

[CANADIEN]

I'm sure it hovers around the frightening number of zero or so.

Actually, some friends of mine (he's from London and English-speaking, she's from Laval and French-speaking) have decided that their son would attempt French school. Warning Canadians - one today, millions tomorrow.

[bloodyminded]

Actually, some friends of mine (he's from London and English-speaking, she's from Laval and French-speaking) have decided that their son would attempt French school. Warning Canadians - one today, millions tomorrow.

The slow decline into apartheid.

[Leafless]

Except when it comes to French-speaking Canadians, where assimilation is your goal.

I have nothing to do with assimilation.

Assimilation should have been Trudeau's goal but we all know what this faithless politician did for Quebec..don't we.

They should stay and fight for their rights.

It would be foolish to stay in Quebec when the government of Canada will not stand up for your rights as a Canadian citizen.

[Leafless]

Yoo really are cluesless, aren't you? The reason why I do not need to assimilate to be a Canadian is that I AM a Canadian, and so is my language, and so is my culture. Legislation simply recognizes that FACT.

Corrupt legislation.

Maybe you are blinded by facts.

Like all other Canadians you have been assimilated, except for your language. Most francophones I know speak English 80% of the time. They say the only time they speak French for any length of time is when they are speaking with older members of their family.

Do they still live in log houses and drive French cars over in Quebec and trade fish and furs...I don't think so...they drive Fords and Chevs and mostly live in vinyl clad houses and copycat popular American game shows, French dubbed English speaking movies etc.

As for the claim that English-speaking Canadians are being assimilated because there areroad signs in French AND English in New Brunswick, library services are offered in French AND Enlgish in Ottawa, and some post offices offer services in French AND English in Vancouver is so incredibly stupid that I was not expecting it even from you (and my expectations about you are very low already).

You know very well that (even though the francophone population is small) you would find it difficult to find employment in English only in the city of Ottawa. This includes federal, provincial, municipal or private employers.

You are an incredibly arrogant francophone.

But hey, feel free to provide proof of your claim. How many Enlgish-speaking Canadian families have switched to using only French at home and in their daily lives since, let's say, 2001? Sure, you can provide numbers, right?

I keep telling you French is a dying language and now at least you are proving that it is.

Even Hitler would think this is an idiotic statement.

I think Hitler would be proud that (believe it or not) another linguistic group (Quebec and French politicians) would copy his ideology.

[CANADIEN]

I have nothing to do with assimilation.

Assimilation should have been Trudeau's goal but we all know what this faithless politician did for Quebec..don't we.

We know what Trudeau did for the whole of Canada, which is to ensure respect for the rights of all Canadians at the federal level.

Edited April 6, 2010 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

Maybe you are blinded by facts.

Facts are what is keeping my eyes wide open. You, on the other hand, are blinded by your ignorance.

Like all other Canadians you have been assimilated

I thought that (according to you), English-speaking Canadians were being assimilated in the French-language minority. Make up your mind, will you?,

You are an incredibly arrogant francophone.

You mean I am a French-speaking CANADIAN (something you don't even dare to deny anymore) who has the audacity not to accept to be a second class citizen in his own country.

I keep telling you French is a dying language and now at least you are proving that it is.

The only thing that is being proven (again) is that you do not know how to read.

You make the totally absurd case that English-speaking Canadians are being assimilated by the French-speaking population. If that was the case, we would see hundreds of thousands of households in our country stop to use English in their daily life and start using French. Feel free to prove your claim any time with actual numbers.

Edited April 6, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

You make the totally absurd case that English-speaking Canadians are being assimilated by the French-speaking population.

Not assimilated into the closeknit francophone society, but rather assimilated by a certain degree, by political economics that have a created an artificial demand utilizing the English/French language in certain areas of employment.

IOW, the federal government, is doing what the francophone society has failed to do.

[CANADIEN]

Not assimilated into the closeknit francophone society, but rather assimilated by a certain degree, by political economics that have a created an artificial demand utilizing the English/French language in certain areas of employment.

IOW, the federal government, is doing what the francophone society has failed to do.

Leaving aside the FACT that there is nothing artificial about Canadians requesting government services in thee Canadian language of their choice...

You have just demonstrated (oh surprise) that assimilation is to be added to the long list of concepts you hve no clue about.

[Leafless]

You have just demonstrated (oh surprise) that assimilation is to be added to the long list of concepts you hve no clue about.

It is a phenomena okay, so I will reword it to 'being forcefully Frenchified'.

[CANADIEN]

'being forcefully Frenchified'.

In other words, being forced to become French. Different words, some cluelessness

[Leafless]

In other words, being forced to become French.

What else can you expect from Nazi type language policies.

[CANADIEN]

What else can you expect from Nazi type language policies.

correction... what else can be expected from someone as clueless as you.

Nobody whose first language is either English or French is forced to abandon their language - to change and become French- or English-speaking Canadians - in other words, to assimilate. Even you cannot be cluesless to the point of believing that. And if you do, prove it.

But then, those proof are like your so-called Nazi language policies - a figment of your imagination.

Edited April 13, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

But then, those proof are like your so-called Nazi language policies - a figment of your imagination.

You are a pin head.

Quebec copies Nazi style politics even back when Rene Levesque copied and used a Nazi phrase 'night of the long knives'.

Quebec always thought of themselves as the victim just like Nazi Germany did with the Jews.

[CANADIEN]

You are a pin head.

Me kwttle, you pot. And a very large one at that.

Quebec copies Nazi style politics even back when Rene Levesque copied and used a Nazi phrase 'night of the long knives'.

You realize of course that in that (faulty) comparison, it was the nine other provincial premiers and the PM brandishing the knives? Oops sorry, you don't, oh well

Quebec always thought of themselves as the victim just like Nazi Germany did with the Jews.

And the way you do everytime you see French on a cereal box. Which causes you to clamour for the same type of laws you denounce.

You still can't bring any kind of proof to your claim that English-speaking Canadians are being assimilated, no matter how you rephrase it or try to change the definition.

BTW, feel free to make a big(ger) fool of yourself by screaming "Nazi" everytime you are short on logic (which would be all the time) to describe legislation you would applaud if the words English and French were reversed on it. It only proves how clueless and hypocritical you are.

Edited April 15, 2010 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Nobody whose first language is either English or French is forced to abandon their language - to change and become French- or English-speaking Canadians - in other words, to assimilate. And if you do, prove it.

There is nothing to prove.

The French have been assimilated to the customs and ways of English Canada and outside of Quebec only use their French language on a part time basis. The French language in Quebec and the ROC has been artifically kept alive by the federal government and tax payers of Canada.

BTW...the definiton of assimilate is to 'absorb into a larger body' . The word does not apply to a minority absorbing a larger body.

But then, those proof are like your so-called Nazi language policies - a figment of your imagination.

Not my Nazi type language policies, but the French in the province Quebec and the federal government and some municipal government Nazi type language laws.

Name me another country that currently employs Canadian Nazi type language laws? Language laws are offensive to almost everyone in the world but some dumb Canadians.