Guest TrueMetis Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 Enjoy your dream. Don't have time to find suitable cite now, The following is from wiki: Actually, the US Bomber has already bomb into China at that time. But the western media always try to hide this history. Quote
Shady Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 I'd like this discussion to come back to the bafoonery of the Obama Administration foreign policy. Instead of some Chinese Government automaton, apologizing and justifying Chinese human rights abuses and censorship of their media. I'd tell the guy to Google some info, but it's probably blocked out! Quote
Gabriel Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 I'd like this discussion to come back to the bafoonery of the Obama Administration foreign policy. Instead of some Chinese Government automaton, apologizing and justifying Chinese human rights abuses and censorship of their media. I'd tell the guy to Google some info, but it's probably blocked out! How should Obama have conducted himself differently? I think Obama is very weak on foreign policy, but I also think he'll come to his senses shortly and realize that his promises of dialogue will yield nothing productive. Eventually Obama's approach will become more influenced realpolitik-esque. At least we can hope so. I'm not certain that speaking out against China's human rights abuses would have been productive. After all, isn't China moving towards more freedom over time? They're introducing more political freedoms, private property, etc, over time. Perhaps Obama feels that China is advancing itself with respect to freedom and opportunity at an acceptable pace. Quote
Shady Posted November 24, 2009 Report Posted November 24, 2009 How should Obama have conducted himself differently? I think Obama is very weak on foreign policy, but I also think he'll come to his senses shortly and realize that his promises of dialogue will yield nothing productive. Eventually Obama's approach will become more influenced realpolitik-esque. At least we can hope so. I'm not certain that speaking out against China's human rights abuses would have been productive. After all, isn't China moving towards more freedom over time? They're introducing more political freedoms, private property, etc, over time. Perhaps Obama feels that China is advancing itself with respect to freedom and opportunity at an acceptable pace. I agree with you. It's just that there's certain things he could have asked for, or not participated in. Like the fake town hall meeting, stacked with communist government supporters, where the President of China refused to take questions. Both George Bush and Bill Clinton accepted press conferences there, only if they were televised and available for viewing by the Chinese public. Obama made no such demand, and as a result, his town hall style event was blacked out by the government. It was total amateur hour. Quote
Gabriel Posted November 25, 2009 Report Posted November 25, 2009 I agree with you. It's just that there's certain things he could have asked for, or not participated in. Like the fake town hall meeting, stacked with communist government supporters, where the President of China refused to take questions. Both George Bush and Bill Clinton accepted press conferences there, only if they were televised and available for viewing by the Chinese public. Obama made no such demand, and as a result, his town hall style event was blacked out by the government. It was total amateur hour. Clearly it's connected to the same naivety that led him to openly state that he'd meet with dictators without precondition. Still, it wasn't TOO bad. Apparently there were some decent questions, but the students knew they couldn't ask hard questions that might reflect poorly on the Chinese government. Chinese folks learn early to be careful with such matters. It was pretty lame that Obama permitted the entire thing to be blacked out on Chinese television. Perhaps he should have insisted that it be broadcast to all of China. Ah well, I'm hoping Obama will realize soon enough that the world is full of evil and that his job is to carry the light. Quote
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