Certain Peoples Enjoy Living Like Animals Over 5000 Year Period

[jbg]

Actually, it is different. First of all, from what I've read, if the person doing the beheading isn't strong enough or isn't competent, the death can be slow and excruciatingly painful. Secondly, capital punishment follows a guilty verdict for a crime in the category of murder in the first degree, so kidnapping an innocent victim such as Daniel Pearl, and beheading him, is vastly different from capital punishment.

You make a good point that a beheading such as Daniel Pearl's does not follow any civilized, much less legal process.

I don't care for this type of thread and have said so before, and that goes for all the threads berating Jews/Israel in the same way, too, but terrorism does exist, and when it does, when innocent people are beheaded at the hands of terrorists, it most definitely is not correct to say: It's corporal [capital] punishment no different than hanging, electrocution, lethal injection, ect. Surely you must recognize that.

Many people wish there weren't bad people in the world. I believe that it is necessary for the good people of all religious and ethnic groups to put a collar on their own attack dogs.

[Guest TrueMetis]

We've done away with methods of capital punishment that aren't deemed as humane as our civilizations have progressed, so while lethal injection "might" not be as painless as everyone assumes, it's not comparable to a terrorist carrying out a beheading; I know without a doubt which I'd pick if I had to choose.

What happens when you never find a method that is completely humane?

Furthermore, I think the fact that people receiving capital punishment took a life/lives puts it in a different category of "wrong" than acts of terrorism. In other words, I don't think it's the same. Someone isn't being picked at random out of anger; they committed, chose to commit, a horrible crime.

What about the people who haven't done anything are killed anyway. The minute a country does that it becomes exactly the same as the terrorist killing an innocent person.

[Shwa]

Complete with profanity in attacking me and my post.

My apologies. I should have said big, steaming pile of bull manure. Otherwise I believe my statement to be factually correct. And here's why:

Eventually their doctrinal love of peace did filter to conduct.

Again you are conveniently ignoring a huge chunk of history in practically every single region of the world, but especially the Americas.

As I just said, that was then this is now.

Guatemala - 99% Christian

El Salvador - 80%-ish Christian

Nicaragua - 80% Christian

Now in the above conflicts, lets not forget the complict involvement of the US - 78% Christian

Just in those three examples above, your love-of-peace filter is a sick delusion.

Indeed in many of those countries the people live in grinding poverty

According to what standard? According to my standard there is "grinding poverty" in the US too. According to the standards of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops some 37 million Americans "live in a state of poverty, hunger and hardship."

So what I am saying, I mean, what I am trying to get across is that your sh*t stinks too. If you want examples of terrorism, then maybe you ought to dig a little deeper into all the terror, murder, rape, violence and destruction caused by American "interests" in the Latin America over the past 5 decades. Love of peace indeed.

Over-abundance of fear? September 11?

Are you kidding me?

[Guest American Woman]

What happens when you never find a method that is completely humane?

As far as the "completely humane" issue, it would be completely humane if they would just put the prisoners out first, like they do for people undergoing surgery. I've always wondered why they don't.

For the record, my state doesn't have the death penalty so I'm not 'arguing' this aspect of it as a proponent of the death penalty, although I can understand why some do advocate it. Personally, strictly from the humane aspect, I see death as more humane than life locked up in a prison cell and find it ironic that even prisoners on death row have not been 'allowed' to take their own life, but that's another conversation.

What about the people who haven't done anything are killed anyway. The minute a country does that it becomes exactly the same as the terrorist killing an innocent person.

No, it doesn't become "exactly" the same. When an innocent person is falsely found guilty, it's a mistake, a flaw in our legal system, or more correctly, a flaw in humans who are not by any means perfect.

But they weren't randomly picked off the street for no reason other than being 'infidels;' a crime was committed, an arrest was made, and a trial followed. I can't believe you actually believe there's no difference between an error made by a jury and terrorists kidnapping and beheading Daniel Pearl.

Yes, both are wrong, but they're hardly "exactly the same." One is intentional, the other anything but. Even our legal system recognizes that killing another person isn't "exactly the same" in each instance, which is why charges range from manslaughter to murder in the first degree, and the 'punishment' varies accordingly.

Comparing the two as "exactly the same" is to minimize acts of terror.

Edited December 14, 2009 by American Woman