g_bambino Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 The GG... cannot subvert the will of parliment, if they did the same thing would happen here as did in the land down under, no more gg. Ummm, this kind of proves you wrong. Quote
whowhere Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 Like a direct confidence vote via parliament. Right.... MPs are not trustworthy and are often bias to their own interests. No, Canadians choose the GG via the electoral system instead of the PM. Nothing would change structurally, other than Canadians have a democractic say who will represent the monarch. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) ......Nothing would change structurally, other than Canadians have a democractic say who will represent the monarch. Hey...that's very funny....a democratic say...for the monarch's representative. Wouldn't that be like the public voting for a pope? Edited December 19, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
g_bambino Posted December 19, 2009 Report Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) Nothing would change structurally. You've clearly heard of neither constitutional convention nor responsible government. Two elected positions - one by parliament and anonther by some electoral college - would be a disaster. [c/e] Edited December 19, 2009 by g_bambino Quote
whowhere Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Hey...that's very funny....a democratic say...for the monarch's representative. Wouldn't that be like the public voting for a pope? Hey...ahhhh..very funny kind of like the Americans DIRECTLY voting for the President the Canadian people voting directly for the GG. The GG's powers are enshrined and entrenched in the BNA act and the 1982 Constitution. Just because they are not be exercised does not mean they are not there. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
whowhere Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 You've clearly heard of neither constitutional convention nor responsible government. Two elected positions - one by parliament and anonther by some electoral college - would be a disaster. [c/e] Yes, what you are describing is the process of electing the US congress and another to elect the president. How is is it good for the US, and not good for Canada? Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
g_bambino Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) Yes, what you are describing is the process of electing the US congress and another to elect the president. No, I did not. [c/e] Edited December 20, 2009 by g_bambino Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Hey...ahhhh..very funny kind of like the Americans DIRECTLY voting for the President the Canadian people voting directly for the GG. The GG's powers are enshrined and entrenched in the BNA act and the 1982 Constitution. Just because they are not be exercised does not mean they are not there. Dude...the rebel Americans went to war over these kind of issues....loyalists fled to Canada. Guess where you live? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
whowhere Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 No, I did not. [c/e] A rose by any other name is still a rose. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
whowhere Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Dude...the rebel Americans went to war over these kind of issues....loyalists fled to Canada. Guess where you live? If it can be conceived, it can be achieved. Canadians can choose the GG via an election, just as easily as the PM can. In both cases, the Queen would still have to accept the choice. She could reject the PMs choice and the one elected for whatever reason to represent her. The GG has powers whether you acknowledge them or not. Quote Job 40 (King James Version) 11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
g_bambino Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) A rose by any other name is still a rose. And the US Congress is still not elected by parliament. [c/e] Edited December 20, 2009 by g_bambino Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 If it can be conceived, it can be achieved.... Ummmmm...OK...it took more than 100 years to get permission for a repatriated constitution.....so don't hold your breath waiting for your GG "election". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
g_bambino Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Ummmmm...OK...it took more than 100 years to get permission for a repatriated constitution.....so don't hold your breath waiting for your GG "election". Point of order, please: The timing of the constitution's patriation wasn't governed by "permission", it was cranky provinces who couldn't agree on an amending formula for more than 50 years. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 Point of order, please: The timing of the constitution's patriation wasn't governed by "permission", it was cranky provinces who couldn't agree on an amending formula for more than 50 years. But the mechanism for ultimately doing so was controlled by your sovereign. And that is exactly how you would want it to be. I have already addressed the history of ADR in previous posts. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Halfempty Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 ...You are obviously another communist who believes Canada belongs to the Conservatives and the Liberals. Yes, clearly that's what I am, as well as everyone else on this thread besides you lol. I'll leave you to your deluded thoughts. Quote
g_bambino Posted December 20, 2009 Report Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) But the mechanism for ultimately doing so was controlled by your sovereign. Not relevant. There was talk about patriating the constitution in the 1920s, but, as I said, the Canadian parties involved couldn't agree on various aspects, mostly an amending formula. Certainly, the ultimate act of legislative severence was carried out by the British parliament; but, the Brits ceased to care by the 1930s where Canada's constitution sat. Essentially, they'd been sitting over there twiddling their thumbs for decades waiting for us to get our act together and come say "okay, we're ready now." That's quite the opposite of waiting to get permisssion. [+] Edited December 20, 2009 by g_bambino Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Posted December 21, 2009 Not relevant..... Oh really.... The Canadian Constitution was patriated by the Constitution Act, 1982, part of which is commonly referred to as the Charter. The Constitution Act, 1982 received royal assent by the signing of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, in Ottawa. Amendment of the Canadian Constitution was not easy when Canada had to have agreement and then go to Great Britain to have the constitutional amendment passed. Seems that "Mommy" had to give her permission. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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