German Publisher Cancels Book on Islam

[JerrySeinfeld]

"After the mohammed cartoons, one knows that one can't publish sentences or drawings that defame Islam without expecting a security risk", said Felix Droste, head of Droste publishers.

Oh and did you happen to hear about the dutch parlaimeentarian and film maker Geert Wilders who was denied entry into the UK because of his political views on Islam in europe?

Just thought you'd like to know how "freedom" is shaping out across the pond.

[KeyStone]

"After the mohammed cartoons, one knows that one can't publish sentences or drawings that defame Islam without expecting a security risk", said Felix Droste, head of Droste publishers.

Oh and did you happen to hear about the dutch parlaimeentarian and film maker Geert Wilders who was denied entry into the UK because of his political views on Islam in europe?

Just thought you'd like to know how "freedom" is shaping out across the pond.

We have our own freedom concerns right here in Canada, as George Galloway was too much of a threat to be let in the country.

[DogOnPorch]

We have our own freedom concerns right here in Canada, as George Galloway was too much of a threat to be let in the country.

Well George does openly praise and support both Hamas and Hezbollah...while in the past being very chummy with Saddam. That's a bit different than what Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Geert Wilders et al face re: death threats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuAAK032kCA

[KeyStone]

Well George does openly praise and support both Hamas and Hezbollah...while in the past being very chummy with Saddam. That's a bit different than what Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Geert Wilders et al face re: death threats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuAAK032kCA

While Canada lists Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations, we are one of only a handful of nations to do so.

Keep in mind, that both Hamas and especially Hezbollah have other non-military components that do good work.

It is possible to support some of the things that they do, without agreeing with all of their actions.

The two combined have killed far less innocent children than the IDF.

Being chummy with Sadam was pretty normal for international leaders, prior to the US suddenly deciding that he was evil.

They continued to supply Iraq with arms, after the Kurdish massacre.

As for Wilders, he has basically hated that he hates Islam. While this is not racism, it is religious intolerance. It would be like saying one hates Judaism, and suggesting that a head tax be imposed on keepahs. Do you think B'nai Brith would have something to say about such a suggestion. Furthermore, he is being tried in his home country for hate crimes. Generally, that's a red flag when it comes to letting someone into the country. Anyways, the ban was overturned.

So again, I think we have much bigger problems when it comes to denying free speech than the UK. Of course, if you want one policy for Judaism and one for Islam, then free speech isn't really the debate.

[JB Globe]

"After the mohammed cartoons, one knows that one can't publish sentences or drawings that defame Islam without expecting a security risk", said Felix Droste, head of Droste publishers.

This is troubling, but there is more going on in Germany than: "Islamists trying to repress free speech," after all, there is a concerned effort among the German media and public to hide and downplay instances of intolerance against German Muslims, as demonstrated by the media reaction to the courtroom murder of a pregnant Muslim woman whose white attacker was on trial for a previous instance of racial harassment against her . . . This story was shoved in the back of newspapers and not mentioned on most TV channels . . .

It seems as though both white Germans and Muslim-Germans have difficulties in addressing the underbellies of their communities, and until they acknowledge what's there, I fear this situation can only get worse.

Oh and did you happen to hear about the dutch parlaimeentarian and film maker Geert Wilders who was denied entry into the UK because of his political views on Islam in europe?

If you're going to make Widlers' entry denial to the UK into a free speech issue - than I assume that you rushed to the defense of Ernest Zundel in the past as well, right?

You do after all, defend all bigots free speech rights equally, yes?

[DogOnPorch]

While Canada lists Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations, we are one of only a handful of nations to do so.

Yeah...the civilized ones.

Keep in mind, that both Hamas and especially Hezbollah have other non-military components that do good work.

It is possible to support some of the things that they do, without agreeing with all of their actions.

The Nazis had some good points, too. Spare me your BS re: Hamas and Hezbollah. They're anti-semitic Nazis whose roots date back to the Grand Mufti's bloodlust.

See here for what I mean: http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=rZIwlvfsAe

Such nice fellows.

The two combined have killed far less innocent children than the IDF.

Not for lack of trying. Israel has top-notch civil defence while the terrorists only provide bunkers for their fat-cats while letting civilians act as sand-bags.

Being chummy with Sadam was pretty normal for international leaders, prior to the US suddenly deciding that he was evil.

They continued to supply Iraq with arms, after the Kurdish massacre.

Saddam used Russian weapons. Not American or otherwise. George's chumminess with Saddam is well documented. Other leaders were not so chummy even though we have Saddam and Rumsfeld shaking hands (as Reagan's special envoy to the ME). A ninety minute one time meeting. They weren't friends. More both Iran's enemies. All the chumminess ended once Saddam thought invading Kuwait would be fun.

As for Wilders, he has basically hated that he hates Islam. While this is not racism, it is religious intolerance. It would be like saying one hates Judaism, and suggesting that a head tax be imposed on keepahs. Do you think B'nai Brith would have something to say about such a suggestion. Furthermore, he is being tried in his home country for hate crimes. Generally, that's a red flag when it comes to letting someone into the country. Anyways, the ban was overturned.

You apologize well for those lads openly threatening his life on camera. Maybe there's a future as a scum-bag lawyer awaiting. Geert Wilders is not a hate monger, rather a victim of radical Islam in his own country. He's been under police protection for longer than just since Fitna. His association with Hirsi Ali netted him that.

So again, I think we have much bigger problems when it comes to denying free speech than the UK. Of course, if you want one policy for Judaism and one for Islam, then free speech isn't really the debate.

George Galloway is on camera giving tens of thousands of dollars to Hamas along with a convoy of supplies and trucks. The Egyptians nearly lynched him for this act.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5872129.ece

Edited November 15, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[KeyStone]

"The Nazis had some good points, too. Spare me your BS re: Hamas and Hezbollah. They're anti-semitic Nazis whose roots date back to the Grand Mufti's bloodlust."

I'm really not that interested in tracing the lineage of Hamas/Fatah leaders back eighty years.

Why don't you just make your point?

"Not for lack of trying. Israel has top-notch civil defence while the terrorists only provide bunkers for their fat-cats while letting civilians act as sand-bags."

Shouldn't all this top-notch technology that Israel has, make it even easier to avoid civilian casualties. Shouldn't their superior military be able to march into the occupied territory and seize the alleged terrorists, without killing children and leveling neighborhoods?

"Saddam used Russian weapons. Not American or otherwise. George's chumminess with Saddam is well documented. Other leaders were not so chummy even though we have Saddam and Rumsfeld shaking hands (as Reagan's special envoy to the ME). A ninety minute one time meeting. They weren't friends. More both Iran's enemies. All the chumminess ended once Saddam thought invading Kuwait would be fun."

Well Saddam was trained and equipped by the US. As for what weapons they used in their defense, I'm not sure. I kept waiting for the mustard gas to be released. Yes, you are right - chumminess ended with the invasion of Kuwait, which took place in 1990. The Kurdish massacre took place in 1988, and the world remained chummy with Saddam. It was not until the West needed an excuse, that suddenly the Kurdish massacre was of the utmost importance.

"You apologize well for those lads openly threatening his life on camera. Maybe there's a future as a scum-bag lawyer awaiting. Geert Wilders is not a hate monger, rather a victim of radical Islam in his own country. He's been under police protection for longer than just since Fitna. His association with Hirsi Ali netted him that."

I've made no reference to those that threaten him, so that is in your own imagination. But answer me, do you think if a Muslim MP in Canada suggested that we charge a $1500 tax, for all keepahs and menorahs, that people would think that to be a reasonable dialogue or do you think the CJC would want that individual tried with hate crimes? Do you honestly think it's unreasonable for a country to deny entry to a person being charged with hate crimes in their own country?

If you actually stop and think, instead of your usual Muslims are evil 'kneejerk response' you will find the UK stance to be quite reasonable.

"George Galloway is on camera giving tens of thousands of dollars to Hamas along with a convoy of supplies and trucks. The Egyptians nearly lynched him for this act. "

The Egyptians nearly lynched him because he was critical of the leader of Egypt.

As for the donations, giving food to starving people in Palestine is the right thing to do, even if it interrupts Israel's plan to starve them out.

The money is a little different, but you have to realize:

The world encouraged Hamas to try to effect change through politics rather than violence.

Then when they actually win the election, the nations pull all of their aid.

So, Galloway gave to the government of Palestine to help rebuild etc, after all the damage that Israel did.

Good for him. This hardly makes him a terrorist, despite what our current sycophantic government says.

[DogOnPorch]

Well Saddam was trained and equipped by the US.

No he wasn't.

[GostHacked]

No he wasn't.

Sorry Dog, you are in the wrong here. It seems that he was. He was also supplied by the UK, Germany and France. Some training was done in the US for Iraqi soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives, although the public and news media paid little attention. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into" the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted – and frequently encouraged – the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]

Military training

Fort Bragg, home of Special Operations Forces.

Iraqi military personnel received various types of guidance from their American counterparts on U.S. soil. According to Roque Gonzalez, an ex-Special Forces officer who is multilingual, Saddam's elite troops received instruction in unconventional warfare at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. "The idea was that, in the event of an Iranian victory, the Iraqi soldiers would be able to wage a guerrilla struggle against the occupying Iranian force", writes Barry Lando, former investigative producer with 60 Minutes.[7] Author Joseph J. Trento adds, "We were training thorough the Green Berets, we were [giving] counter insurgency training, because we were afraid that if Iran overwhelmed Saddam's army, that the units might have to go underground and operate underground, and so they received training in being able to operate as guerillas."[25]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/leaked-report-says-german-and-us-firms-supplied-arms-to-saddam-611332.html

British officials said the list of companies appeared to be accurate. Eighty German firms and 24 US companies are reported to have supplied Iraq with equipment and know-how for its weapons programmes from 1975 onwards and in some cases support for Baghdad's conventional arms programme had continued until last year.

If I am wrong, please show me where I am wrong!

[DogOnPorch]

I'm really not that interested in tracing the lineage of Hamas/Fatah leaders back eighty years.

Why don't you just make your point?

Not interested in the Mufti? Well let's just cut him out of your particular history books...oh I see you already have. What's next? Not interested in the Yom Kippur War?

Meanwhile the video-clip shows Hamas members violently executing Fatah with sadistic glee. Living up to that Mufti-creed.

GH: Sorry Dog, you are in the wrong here. It seems that he was. He was also supplied by the UK, Germany and France. Some training was done in the US for Iraqi soldiers.

That states economic aid...not equiping and supplying Saddam's military. Common myth, though. Any Iraqi military equipment you've seen is Russian...not American. I assume you can tell the difference as I can.

Edited November 16, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

The Egyptians nearly lynched him because he was critical of the leader of Egypt.

'The convoy, carrying aid worth £1 million, was pelted with stones and vandalised with anti-Hamas slogans after it stopped overnight in El-Arish, a small town around 28 miles from the Rafah border crossing with Gaza.'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5872129.ece

Edited November 16, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

Dog ... i guess this is for another thread. I'll stop posting on this here, getting off topic.

http://www.theshalomcenter.org/node/100

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/169-history/36416.html

[KeyStone]

'The convoy, carrying aid worth £1 million, was pelted with stones and vandalised with anti-Hamas slogans after it stopped overnight in El-Arish, a small town around 28 miles from the Rafah border crossing with Gaza.'

The attack comes weeks after Mr Galloway, of the Respect party, described Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak as a "tyrant" and "criminal" and demanded that he be overthrown by his country's armed forces.

[DogOnPorch]

Dog ... i guess this is for another thread. I'll stop posting on this here, getting off topic.

http://www.theshalomcenter.org/node/100

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/169-history/36416.html

What America WAS guilty of was easing the rules re: duel-use technologies (like the list in your 1st link). It was the height of the Ollie North days, afterall. However, one must be specific as to what was actually done. A typical claim might be: "The US supplied Iraq with chemical weapons." The US actually supplied Saddam with insecticide for agricultural purposes. The chemicals involved being similar to those used in nerve agents and could have possibly be used for making them...but did Saddam do that? Also, who else was supplying Saddam? Some try to make it sound like various US/UK/et al companies were the ONLY ones trading with Saddam while other nations we practicing for saint-hood.

Easing the trade rules with Iraq opened the door for third party trading but it was frankly quite limited as Saddam was very strapped for cash after the Iran-Iraq War. Iraq's major supplier was none-other than our old pals the Soviet Union who sought Iraq as a client state during that period to add to its Middle East collection of proxy Warsaw Pact nations: Syria, Egypt and such being others.

Keyhole: The attack comes weeks after Mr Galloway, of the Respect party, described Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak as a "tyrant" and "criminal" and demanded that he be overthrown by his country's armed forces.

The article is clear re: anti-Hamas. Egyptians officially want nothing to do with the terrorist groups in Gaza/Lebanon as it would fracture their peace agreements and threaten their US aid package...not to mention lead to another Jordan-like scenario.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

[DogOnPorch]

Shouldn't all this top-notch technology that Israel has, make it even easier to avoid civilian casualties. Shouldn't their superior military be able to march into the occupied territory and seize the alleged terrorists, without killing children and leveling neighborhoods?

I said civil defence and I meant civil defence. When the siren sounds, the Israelis head for the bunkers. Hamas provides no such things for their civilians...but they do manage bunkers for themselves and tunnels to Egypt. The 'civilians' they'd prefer to get killed/maimed...especially women and children...as it provides their propaganda branches with good fodder for fellows like yourself to swallow...aka Pallywood. So they're used as sand-bags/human shields as they refuse to evacuate the civilians from Gaza City nor does Hamas fight in the countryside to prevent such occurances. They like death...Hamas is a cult of death.

[DogOnPorch]

As for the donations, giving food to starving people in Palestine is the right thing to do, even if it interrupts Israel's plan to starve them out.

Are the citizens of Gaza starving? They can buy DVD players, motorbikes, NBA T-shirts and such but apparently food has not found its way in either officially or unofficially (tunnels).

Me thinks someone is fibbing.

Edited November 16, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

German Publisher Cancels Book on Islam

Back in 2006, Germany did a similar thing re: a Mozart opera performance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/26/world/europe/26iht-germany.2943303.html

[KeyStone]

Are the citizens of Gaza starving? They can buy DVD players, motorbikes, NBA T-shirts and such but apparently food has not found its way in either officially or unofficially (tunnels).

Me thinks someone is fibbing.

You know I've been defending Palestinians for a long time, but after viewing those videos, I think you have changed my mind.

There seems to be a massive conspiracy and fraud being perpetrated against Israel.

Let's look at all the co-conspirators, that are lying, shall we:

The notoriously anti-Israel organization USAID:

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2002-08/a-2002-08-09-4-Malnutrition.cfm?moddate=2002-08-09

The rabid hate mongerers commonly known as the UK House of Commons:

http://www.ifamericaknew.org/stats/malnutrition.html

The diabolically evil foundation known as UNICEF:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-52883983.html

The brazenly anti-semitic World Health Organization:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-52883983.html

And these are just a few of the groups engaged in this propaganda war against Israel.

And to think I used to believe them, but since you have shown me the video of falafel being made in Palestine, my eyes have been opened. They do have FOOD in Palestine. Clearly this video debunks all the claimn of the Jew-hating organizations above.

[DogOnPorch]

So those tasty looking falafels were a Zionist plot to merely appear delicious?

Edited November 16, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[naomiglover]

Let's look at all the co-conspirators, that are lying, shall we:

The notoriously anti-Israel organization USAID:

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2002-08/a-2002-08-09-4-Malnutrition.cfm?moddate=2002-08-09

The rabid hate mongerers commonly known as the UK House of Commons:

http://www.ifamericaknew.org/stats/malnutrition.html

The diabolically evil foundation known as UNICEF:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-52883983.html

The brazenly anti-semitic World Health Organization:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-52883983.html

And these are just a few of the groups engaged in this propaganda war against Israel.

And to think I used to believe them, but since you have shown me the video of falafel being made in Palestine, my eyes have been opened. They do have FOOD in Palestine. Clearly this video debunks all the claimn of the Jew-hating organizations above.

Those organization certainly are all Jew haters.

This is all a conspiracy against Jews. Even when other Jews are involved in these organizations, everyone already knows that they're self-hating Jews.

DogOnPorch has uncovered another plot against the Jews.

[naomiglover]

Censorship is wrong. Whether it's being done due to fear of violence and/or fear of government's response.

Germany has a law in place for anyone who denies the holocaust:

Legislation against denying the Holocaust has been on the books in Germany since 1985, and in 1994 this law was amended. The 1985 law (Article 194, 21st) states that denying the Holocaust is an impingement of human dignity, and is defined as an offense. However, pressing charges against the offenders requires the victim's agreement.

http://www.antisemitism.org.il/eng/Legislation%20Against%20Antisemitism%20and%20Denial%20of%20the%20Holocaust#Germany

[DogOnPorch]

ame='KeyStone' date='16 November 2009 - 02:45 PM' timestamp='1258406237' post='483047']

Those organization certainly are all Jew haters.

This is all a conspiracy against Jews. Even when other Jews are involved in these organizations, everyone already knows that they're self-hating Jews.

DogOnPorch has uncovered another plot against the Jews.

Keystone posted those links, not I. His claim is that there are people starving to death in the Gaza Strip. I provided video evidence that this claim is highly exaggerated. If starvation was a fact, 1000 hungry hands would be grabbing for those tasty looking falafels.

[naomiglover]

Keystone posted those links, not I. His claim is that there are people starving to death in the Gaza Strip. I provided video evidence that this claim is highly exaggerated. If starvation was a fact, 1000 hungry hands would be grabbing for those tasty looking falafels.

I know who posted them DogOnPorch.

32 seconds into your video evidence, the date of the video is shown and it's from 1996.

You claim a lot of things.

Edited November 19, 2009 by naomiglover

[DogOnPorch]

Fair enough...

2008

2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GpZex9Jfto

[DogOnPorch]

And here's wasted food money...2007