Ignatieff changed his mind again

[Smallc]

At least it creates a "moral" barrier against dissolving Parliament for an election at the complete whim of the ruling party.

So then Harper is morally bankrupt. Gotcha.

Edited October 5, 2009 by Smallc

[madmax]

If all you Liberals supports use your votes on the NDP the vote wont be wasted. See becuase the NDP votes aren't coming too you not under this leader.

I never really thought about that. The NDP voter has nowhere to go either. Perhaps that is why it is static and has remained static for much of the year. While their is always a % of NDP/CPC swing voters, and NDP/GP swing voters, the NDP/LPC swing voter is a left wing, anti Iraq War, anti Torture, Anti Afghanistan War vote that is not able to go towards Ignatieff because of his Pro Torture, Pro Iraq War and Pro Afghanistan war put him to the right of Harper.

I don't see NDP voters going Green while the economy Sucks. That is not a party to turn to in bad times.

So, the NDP is in a position according to the Angus Reid poll to pick up a few seats, or hold steady according to this poll.

But any vote not for the LPC is a wasted vote...

Meanwhile the NDP will continue to use those wasted votes so that their MPs can help pass increased benefits for EI.

[jdobbin]

I don't see NDP voters going Green while the economy Sucks. That is not a party to turn to in bad times.

But that is what is happening in Quebec, right?

[madmax]

But that is what is happening in Quebec, right?

You are welcome to accept a poll that has a 6.3% Margin of Error shows the NDP at 4% in Quebec.

Ignore the polls with larger sample sizes, lower margins of error and have the NDP in Quebec at 13% to 17%.

The NDP are a fringe player in Quebec.

The NDP hold 17 Seats in Ontario. More then when ED Broadbent hit his glory and this same poll has the NDP up 5% in Ontario.

I don't believe that either.

[Mr.Canada]

And it is being appealed.

My view is that the legislation is worthless. Given that we had an election, you must think it is worthless as well.

Dobbin, I've set you straight on this issue before but you insist upon saying this.

The fixed election date legislation is in place, yes but there is also nothing in it that states the PM cannot ask the GG to dissolve parliament and that's what Harper, our PM did.

[Smallc]

So in other words, the law is useless.

[Mr.Canada]

You are welcome to accept a poll that has a 6.3% Margin of Error shows the NDP at 4% in Quebec.

Ignore the polls with larger sample sizes, lower margins of error and have the NDP in Quebec at 13% to 17%.

The NDP are a fringe player in Quebec.

The NDP hold 17 Seats in Ontario. More then when ED Broadbent hit his glory and this same poll has the NDP up 5% in Ontario.

I don't believe that either.

Liberal supporters are getting very cagey nowadays. I don't blame them to be honest. They have a lame duck leader that makes mistake after mistake and doesn't listen to the voters but why should he when he wouldn't even listen to his own grassroots when they wanted a leadership vote.

The Tories and the NDP are set to make massive gains all across the nation, the NDP will be sent back to Ottawa with a record number of seats to become the official Opposition and the Liberals are feeling sore about it. The longer we don't have an election the further in the polls the Liberals drop.

[Mr.Canada]

So in other words, the law is useless.

Well I'm not commenting on its usefulness but all four parties voted on it. Your MP can probably explain it better than I can.

[jdobbin]

You are welcome to accept a poll that has a 6.3% Margin of Error shows the NDP at 4% in Quebec.

Ignore the polls with larger sample sizes, lower margins of error and have the NDP in Quebec at 13% to 17%.

The NDP are a fringe player in Quebec..

Think I have pointed out that if that aspect of the poll is wrong so can a whole lot more of the poll.

[Shakeyhands]

I cannot believe that someone such as yourself, now an identified LPC supporter

If the center/left got behind the Liberals, we wouldn't have to put up with the CPC shenanigans. I believe that we have a better chance backing the centrist party. I have also stated many times that Rae is the man to do that, but I am ok with Ignatief as well. All the NDP votes just bleed 14% from the Liberals.

And I have never denied and in fact I've stated on this board, that I am a card carrying LPO member. There should be no surprise there.

[Mr.Canada]

If the center/left got behind the Liberals, we wouldn't have to put up with the CPC shenanigans. I believe that we have a better chance backing the centrist party. I have also stated many times that Rae is the man to do that, but I am ok with Ignatief as well. All the NDP votes just bleed 14% from the Liberals.

And I have never denied and in fact I've stated on this board, that I am a card carrying LPO member. There should be no surprise there.

The Liberal party is dying and will soon be dead. Get behind the winners. Tories or the NDP. This is the wave of the future. Liberals are unnecessary and going the way of the dinosaurs .

[madmax]

If the center/left got behind the Liberals, we wouldn't have to put up with the CPC shenanigans.

OH? I believe the Whole LEFT moved behind the Liberals to be rid of the CPC as the governing body and the Liberals under Ignatieff Reneged. So, instead, the Centre Left should choose to give blind support to someone that has reneged on a deal, turned their back on the unemployed, supported the war in Iraq, is willing to extend the war in Afghanistan, is an apologist for degrees of torture. In fact, the Centre Left under the Liberals did their best to get through the Centre Right & Right Agenda and turned their back on the Centre.

With the CPC I know exactly what I am getting. I know what I like and what I dislike. With the LPC, we have a party that has yet to determine which way the wind blows. Some nonsense about a HARPER SALES TAX only to discover that if the Centre Left Elected the LPC, that the Harper Sales Tax would be fixed by renaming it the Ignatieff Sales Tax. abcdefgH then I. Makes perfect sense for a tax name if we are using the next letter of the alpha bet. And since the LPC has no policy, this is as good as any.

I believe that we have a better chance backing the centrist party. I have also stated many times that Rae is the man to do that, but I am ok with Ignatief as well. All the NDP votes just bleed 14% from the Liberals.

And I have never denied and in fact I've stated on this board, that I am a card carrying LPO member. There should be no surprise there.

Never much paid attention to your political stripes. I normally read your posts with interest but never noticed your colours. However, Ignorance and arrogance support the position that the 14% of people who vote NDP would vote Liberal if denied the choice.

In the meantime. Its dissapointing that the LPC leader and various candidates for leadership along with pretenders and benchwarmers all suck.

[Jack Weber]

OH? I believe the Whole LEFT moved behind the Liberals to be rid of the CPC as the governing body and the Liberals under Ignatieff Reneged. So, instead, the Centre Left should choose to give blind support to someone that has reneged on a deal, turned their back on the unemployed, supported the war in Iraq, is willing to extend the war in Afghanistan, is an apologist for degrees of torture. In fact, the Centre Left under the Liberals did their best to get through the Centre Right & Right Agenda and turned their back on the Centre.

With the CPC I know exactly what I am getting. I know what I like and what I dislike. With the LPC, we have a party that has yet to determine which way the wind blows. Some nonsense about a HARPER SALES TAX only to discover that if the Centre Left Elected the LPC, that the Harper Sales Tax would be fixed by renaming it the Ignatieff Sales Tax. abcdefgH then I. Makes perfect sense for a tax name if we are using the next letter of the alpha bet. And since the LPC has no policy, this is as good as any.

Never much paid attention to your political stripes. I normally read your posts with interest but never noticed your colours. However, Ignorance and arrogance support the position that the 14% of people who vote NDP would vote Liberal if denied the choice.

In the meantime. Its dissapointing that the LPC leader and various candidates for leadership along with pretenders and benchwarmers all suck.

Here,here..

I think what you are geting at is the vacuousness of the current version of the federal Liberal Party.For a long time now,the party has seems to exist solely to maintain power.They seemingly have become some sort of bland,benign party that represents almost nothing.This is probably the reason why they seem totally lost when they are trying to regain power.They knew(sort of) how to stay in power as long as the political right was split.Unfortunately,the party seemed to get too comfortable for to long with that ideological dynamic at play,and seemingly have no idea how to regain power now that there is competition.

I also agree with your take on the Conservatives...At least I know what we'll get with them.We know where they stand.I'm interested in almost nothing they stand for,but they do make it obvious for all to see.Same goes with the NDP.We all know where they're coming from.I don't agree with the NDP all the time,either,but at least they take a stand.The Liberals seem to vascillate between the centre right and centre left in an attempt to get the voting populous to coalesce aroung them in great numbers.This is'nt vision!This is not direction....

[Keepitsimple]

The recent dominance of the Liberal Party as Canada's Natural Governing Party is a myth. The end of the line was Piuerre Trudeau who so polarized the country and spawned so much debt that Brian Mulroney was able to win back to back national majorities with the largest vote share in history. Simiular to the Liberals Adscam, the Conservatives and the entire Right self-destructed. Even so, the Liberals constructed their Chretien majorities only through completely sweeping Ontario - once again polarizing the country in an East/West split. Since Trudeau, Liberals have governed though political circumstances and opportunism - not through a coast to coast affection for the Party.