Ignatieff changed his mind again

[Mr.Canada]

Now he states that he WILL name a successor to Coderre. Does Ignatieff ever stick with his original decision or what? Honestly how much credibility does this man have left?

Ignatieff initially spoke of leaving the position vacant, but on Sunday he noted that the party constitution calls for having a chief organizer for Quebec.

he reversed his earlier decision not to name a new Quebec lieutenant, to replace Denis Coderre.

Source

Yet he still allows us a hint that his caucus is still heavily divided by saying this.....

"What Mr. Coderre does is his business," Ignatieff said. "He is living with the consequences."

Shows signs of being weak by saying this, showing that it's still bothering him.

"I'm not visiting," he said.

He's lived outside Canada for his entire adult life and still has a villa in France.

Ignatieff said his party has no confidence in Harper and would continue trying to defeat his government.

"It is up to me to decide," he said. "I will decide at the appropriate moment."

It doesn't really appear to me that it's up to him fto deide at all. It's up to the other parties as well. Canadians have decided that they overwhelingly do not want an election at all but this man through his own arrogance refuses to listen to them. His own caucus is telling him no one wants an election but he refuses to listen. Ignatieff through his Harvard professor tone is about to school Canadians and tell us what we want. his arrogance knows no bounds.

[jdobbin]

Now he states that he WILL name a successor to Coderre. Does Ignatieff ever stick with his original decision or what? Honestly how much credibility does this man have left?

As was noted, the Liberal party constitution requires a lieutenant has to be named. Many Liberals were unaware of the rule in place.

It doesn't really appear to me that it's up to him fto deide at all. It's up to the other parties as well. Canadians have decided that they overwhelingly do not want an election at all but this man through his own arrogance refuses to listen to them. His own caucus is telling him no one wants an election but he refuses to listen. Ignatieff through his Harvard professor tone is about to school Canadians and tell us what we want. his arrogance knows no bounds.

You had no problem with the last election even though Canadians didn't want it and Harper hadn't lost a confidence vote.

[Mr.Canada]

As was noted, the Liberal party constitution requires a lieutenant has to be named. Many Liberals were unaware of the rule in place.

I guess Ignatieff didn't even know his own party constitution then which is even worse. dobbin, you cannot seriously support this man. You honestly feel that he is the best choice to lead the Liberal party and if he gets his wish Canada?

We're all partisan here but dobbin, seriously...

Edited October 5, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[jdobbin]

I guess Ignatieff didn't even know his own party constitution then which is even worse. dobbin, you cannot seriously support this man. You honestly feel that he is the best choice to lead the Liberal party and if he gets his wish Canada?

I doubt that all but a few people know the entire constitution of their parties. You think Harper knows every line?

He couldn't even read his own legislation regarding fixed elections.

We're all partisan here but dobbin, seriously...

As opposed to your comments about Harper? It is almost sounds like love.

[punked]

I doubt that all but a few people know the entire constitution of their parties. You think Harper knows every line?

He couldn't even read his own legislation regarding fixed elections.

As opposed to your comments about Harper? It is almost sounds like love.

I know when I was at the NDP convention Jack had a copy with him at all times. I bet he would know something like this before he stuck his foot in his mouth. I guess when your convention for goes all policy talk you never have to learn the rules of the party that you were just appointed the leader of.

[Mr.Canada]

I doubt that all but a few people know the entire constitution of their parties. You think Harper knows every line?

By now I'm sure he does and if he doesn't he's such a control freak I'm sure he'd get the proper info from his staff before making a national statement. Come on dobbin it reeks of disorganization.

He couldn't even read his own legislation regarding fixed elections.

He did no such thing dobbin. I'm sure you know this as you appear to be a well prepared sort of guy. The election law you're referring to doesn't stop the PM from asking the GG to dissolve parliament which is exactly what PM Harper did.

As opposed to your comments about Harper? It is almost sounds like love.

I just do that to be funny. Well in my own mind I'm being funny but I really do believe that Harper is the best thing resembling a leader that Canada has atm. Will that change in the future? Most likely but for now he's the best we have.

[Smallc]

Wow, that's two mistakes in a row for this party.

[jdobbin]

By now I'm sure he does and if he doesn't he's such a control freak I'm sure he'd get the proper info from his staff before making a national statement. Come on dobbin it reeks of disorganization.

Are you so sure? He is the same guy who made an accusation against the Liberals on a foreign only to have to retract it hours later all rad faced.

He did no such thing dobbin. I'm sure you know this as you appear to be a well prepared sort of guy. The election law you're referring to doesn't stop the PM from asking the GG to dissolve parliament which is exactly what PM Harper did.

Except that he and others said they would do no such thing unless the lost a confidence vote.

The fixed election legislation is a lie.

[jdobbin]

Wow, that's two mistakes in a row for this party.

Guess you'll be voting Harper when he calls an election then.

[Smallc]

No, I'll be voting for whoever replaces Inky Mark...at least that's the way I feel now. I don't see a better alternative than the Conservatives, and that's sad.

[Mr.Canada]

Guess you'll be voting Harper when he calls an election then.

Tory or NDP is the way to vote. We need to push the Liberals right out of the picture. Do to the Liberals exactly what happened to the right for so many years ago.

The NDP must become the new official opposition, they actually have ideas and policy whereas the Liberals clearly need to rebuild and rethink who they are and what they represent.

Edited October 5, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[jdobbin]

Tory or NDP is the way to vote.

Why stop there? Why not just the Tory party for all of Canada?

[Mr.Canada]

Why stop there? Why not just the Tory party for all of Canada?

The Tories already have support in every region of this country unlike the Liberals who are largely restricted to urban areas.

[jdobbin]

The Tories already have support in every region of this country unlike the Liberals who are largely restricted to urban areas.

So maybe one party for all of Canada would be great. Why confuse things with having more than one.

Edited October 5, 2009 by jdobbin

[Mr.Canada]

So maybe one party for all of Canada would be great. Why confuse things with having more than one.

We're better off with Harper then a man who would...

1. Raise taxes(GSt back to 7%). Ignatieff has said he would raise taxes many times on many different occasions.

2.Impose a new carbon tax

3.Make it possible to work 45 days(less then 1 summer) to collect EI for 12 months

4.Said he never supports a coalition, then he does, then he doesn't again

McGUinty raising taxes in Ontario cost Ontarians 3 Billion dollars. Imagine what it would cost across Canada if Ignatieff had his way.

We're better of with Harper.

[Alta4ever]

He couldn't even read his own legislation regarding fixed elections.

Seems like Harper new it better then those who tried to make an issue of it in court, I f I recall it was dismissed.

[jdobbin]

Seems like Harper new it better then those who tried to make an issue of it in court, I f I recall it was dismissed.

And it is being appealed.

My view is that the legislation is worthless. Given that we had an election, you must think it is worthless as well.

[jdobbin]

4.Said he never supports a coalition, then he does, then he doesn't again

Better check on what Harper thinks of that.

[Keepitsimple]

And it is being appealed.

My view is that the legislation is worthless. Given that we had an election, you must think it is worthless as well.

At least it creates a "moral" barrier against dissolving Parliament for an election at the complete whim of the ruling party. The best example that comes to mind was the Chretien/Stockwell Day Election of 2000. Ol' Stock had just won the leadership of the newly created Canadian Alliance Party and within a couple of weeks, Chretien called an election - even though he already had a majority! Last year's "coalition" election was called by a minority government and at least had the pretext of a polarized Parliament.

So in summary, the legislation is not worth much - but it does carry some weight in the court of public opinion when the public clearly sees that it's a completely partisan or fabricated election call.

Edited October 5, 2009 by Keepitsimple

[madmax]

Now he states that he WILL name a successor to Coderre. Does Ignatieff ever stick with his original decision or what? Honestly how much credibility does this man have left?

1) No

2) Its eroding by the hour

[Shakeyhands]

1) No

2) Its eroding by the hour

All of us Liberal supporters should just waste our votes on the NDP I suppose...

[punked]

All of us Liberal supporters should just waste our votes on the NDP I suppose...

If all you Liberals supports use your votes on the NDP the vote wont be wasted. See becuase the NDP votes aren't coming too you not under this leader.

[madmax]

All of us Liberal supporters should just waste our votes on the NDP I suppose...

Not certain how that gives Ignatieff any direction. Considering that LPC supporters did not support the NDP when Dion hit an all time low threshold in popular support, if not seats, I cannot believe that someone such as yourself, now an identified LPC supporter, or people like jdobbin are going to make such a switch. It just doesn't happen. However, you are correct in following traditional Liberal spinning that a vote for the NDP is a wasted vote. (campaign slogan for outremont perhaps )

Regardless, if you can figure out this english version of a ham fisted leader, be my guest. One, is he needs an Idea and a message box.

Considering he has never had to fight to win anything, and that is very much unlike Harper and Layton, or Duceppe for that matter, and has even had his riding gifted to him. It is no surprise that this Silver spoon intellectual elitist is politically incompetent for the job at hand. He was brought up without spending time in the minors.

While Harper and Layton are hated (and they are), they both are also liked/tolerated by their own party. Both these leaders have made errors within the last 12 months. Each one a big whopper. But it is getting out of these mistakes , and how you get out of them that is important. That is the true sign of leadership.

A summer away, and this was all Ignatieff could come up with and already everyone is running and gunning on their own.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...s-wavering.aspx

Edited October 5, 2009 by madmax

[madmax]

As opposed to your comments about Harper? It is almost sounds like love.

Yes it does, doesn't it. In all its Maple Syrupy goodness. And nothing is more Canadian then Maple Syrup

[jdobbin]

So in summary, the legislation is not worth much - but it does carry some weight in the court of public opinion when the public clearly sees that it's a completely partisan or fabricated election call.

That already existed. And is has been ignored by the public and the government when it suits them. It is a useless law since it was never sold as a moral barrier. It was sold as an actual fixed election date.

We may in fact see Harper break that promise in the next weeks regardless because he can taste a majority.