NL Cod fishery is back!

[blueblood]

Impossible. The socialists have pretty much neutered us by brainwashing us that we must be nice to everyone and everyone from far away lands are better than ourselves. The left wingers have taught us long ago that patriotism is wrong and something that is Un-Canadian and should be reserved for hockey only. With socialists breeding it into our kids that patriotism is evil how do you expect us to be able to protect ourselves in a fistfight let alone our fishing waters. We're a society of wimps, the same thing will happen to us in the Arctic, every nation will rape Canada while the left wing is to concerned about what Europe will think of us if defend ourselves.

Yet it was a Liberal Gov't that seized a fishing vessel and arrested the crew. Hardly "nice".

[blueblood]

Too bad we didn't do this until all the Cod was gone. Iceland fought "cod wars" from the 50s-70s and know what? People stopped screwing them over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

People realized that fishing for cod is just bad business and said to pot with it.

[punked]

Impossible. The socialists have pretty much neutered us by brainwashing us that we must be nice to everyone and everyone from far away lands are better than ourselves. The left wingers have taught us long ago that patriotism is wrong and something that is Un-Canadian and should be reserved for hockey only. With socialists breeding it into our kids that patriotism is evil how do you expect us to be able to protect ourselves in a fistfight let alone our fishing waters. We're a society of wimps, the same thing will happen to us in the Arctic, every nation will rape Canada while the left wing is to concerned about what Europe will think of us if defend ourselves.

You are being crazy. When Iceland fought its cod wars Social Democratic Party ran the country under Ásgeir Ásgeirsson. The problem is the "socialists" want to protect our resources while the "Freemarkers" want to sell them off and give them away. Get your History straight this happened under Liberal and Conservative governments. Stop being a partisan this kinda of things is outside the political parties we need to protect what is ours.

[Mr.Canada]

Yet it was a Liberal Gov't that seized a fishing vessel and arrested the crew. Hardly "nice".

Wow, once over the span of what? 50 years? Big deal. We need to protect our selves with zeal but nope the left wing would rather gut our military and leave us defenseless. This is exactly why we as Canadians aren't respected anymore, we have no military and cannot even defend ourselves againsta row boat firing rubber bands at us.

[punked]

Yet it was a Liberal Gov't that seized a fishing vessel and arrested the crew. Hardly "nice".

1 or two of the hundreds in our waters. We also got fined for it. We had nothing the way Iceland's government did.

[punked]

Wow, once over the span of what? 50 years? Big deal. We need to protect our selves with zeal but nope the left wing would rather gut our military and leave us defenseless. This is exactly why we as Canadians aren't respected anymore, we have no military and cannot even defend ourselves againsta row boat firing rubber bands at us.

What are you talking about Iceland doesn't have a military and yet protected their Cod Mr. Canada. You keep showing us you know nothing about the history of cod in the world.

[blueblood]

1 or two of the hundreds in our waters. We also got fined for it. We had nothing the way Iceland's government did.

When that country had a lynchpin for a NATO base during the coldwar, I'd say they had a good bargainning chip. Without that base, the British would have told iceland to piss up a rope.

In the 50's to 70's iceland was a fishing country, nowadays it is not. The wild fishing industry is a fools errand.

[Mr.Canada]

What are you talking about Iceland doesn't have a military and yet protected their Cod Mr. Canada. You keep showing us you know nothing about the history of cod in the world.

They have Coast guard and air defense cores. In other words ships and planes with weapons and ways and means to defend itself against foreign invaders.

They didn't protect their waters with row boats and nice speech the way Canada did. What did Canada do? Oh berated the Spanish in the newspapers and hurled insults at them in the UN.....oooooo,.... I'm sure they were sooo scared. While these tactics are the way of the left in Canada I don't think they did much to protect our waters from other nations. The Canadian fishermen were ramming the Spanish boats all the time and begging that Canada help them but most of the time it fell on deaf ears. It was too late the Liberals had already cut our defense budget by so much that our once proud navy was a shell of its former self and crippled and helpless to defend Canadas right to its own waters.

Canada needs naval might to assert our position in the Atlantic. Only through the build up of Navy and Coast guard vessels will Canada begin to be respected again and be able to properly defend our waters against the foreign hordes who would rape Canada's fishing stocks.

[blueblood]

They have Coast guard and air defense cores. In other words ships and planes with weapons and ways and means to defend itself against foreign invaders.

They didn't protect their waters with row boats and nice speech the way Canada did. What did Canada do? Oh berated the Spanish in the newspapers and hurled insults at them in the UN.....oooooo,.... I'm sure they were sooo scared. While these tactics are the way of the left in Canada I don't think they did much to protect our waters from other nations. The Canadian fishermen were ramming the Spanish boats all the time and begging that Canada help them but most of the time it fell on deaf ears. It was too late the Liberals had already cut our defense budget by so much that our once proud navy was a shell of its former self and crippled and helpless to defend Canadas right to its own waters.

Canada needs naval might to assert our position in the Atlantic. Only through the build up of Navy and Coast guard vessels will Canada begin to be respected again and be able to properly defend our waters against the foreign hordes who would rape Canada's fishing stocks.

The Liberal gov't SEIZED a spanish fishing trawler, that means going with armed men and arresting its crew, and dragging the ship to port.

Why are you defending the east coast fishing industry, its a dead horse. That 440 dollars those newfoundlander fishermen will get is sure going to go far

[punked]

When that country had a lynchpin for a NATO base during the coldwar, I'd say they had a good bargainning chip. Without that base, the British would have told iceland to piss up a rope.

In the 50's to 70's iceland was a fishing country, nowadays it is not. The wild fishing industry is a fools errand.

Fish and fishing products make up 40% of Icelands economy today. Even if it wasn't a Lynchpin to Nato Iceland would have fought the Codwars. In Iceland the cod the were what stood between them and 1800s. You have to remember in the 1920s Icelanders dug out a harbour with shovels and buckets at low tied over the course of 10 years. They didn't have anything before the Cod and they were ready to protect it. They didn't have a military they had a coast guard with net cutters. The Royal Navy was sent to protect their boats and they still cut nets they made more expensive to protect the boats then to fish and the UK had to leave. They did this time and time again becuase they were not ready to sell out those country. Like the Liberals and Conservatives did to us.

[Mr.Canada]

You are being crazy. When Iceland fought its cod wars Social Democratic Party ran the country under Ásgeir Ásgeirsson. The problem is the "socialists" want to protect our resources while the "Freemarkers" want to sell them off and give them away. Get your History straight this happened under Liberal and Conservative governments. Stop being a partisan this kinda of things is outside the political parties we need to protect what is ours.

I agree this should be a non partisan issue, definitely. We're not going to be able to protect what is ours without spending money to rebuild our fleets that the Liberals have gutted since PET. It takes money to purchase, or better yet build them in Canada, naval ships and supplies in order to protect ourselves and our sovereign waters. It doesn't happen for free.

I am glad to hear that some people on the left haven't lost their heart completely for Canada and some patriotism remains on the left.

What leads me to say that the left aren't very patriotic as every time I go to Babble to read their board they constantly put down patriotism as jingoism so I assumed that that was what the left subscribed to as a whole. I guess there is some on the left who are indeed still patriotic, I stand corrected.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

They have Coast guard and air defense cores. In other words ships and planes with weapons and ways and means to defend itself against foreign invaders.

They didn't protect their waters with row boats and nice speech the way Canada did. What did Canada do? Oh berated the Spanish in the newspapers and hurled insults at them in the UN.....oooooo,.... I'm sure they were sooo scared. While these tactics are the way of the left in Canada I don't think they did much to protect our waters from other nations. The Canadian fishermen were ramming the Spanish boats all the time and begging that Canada help them but most of the time it fell on deaf ears. It was too late the Liberals had already cut our defense budget by so much that our once proud navy was a shell of its former self and crippled and helpless to defend Canadas right to its own waters.

Canada needs naval might to assert our position in the Atlantic. Only through the build up of Navy and Coast guard vessels will Canada begin to be respected again and be able to properly defend our waters against the foreign hordes who would rape Canada's fishing stocks.

Like it or not Iceland has not Military Mr. Canada keep showing you have no knowledge of the cod. That is right though Iceland and their Social Democratic government protected its resources while the Liberals and Conservatives in Canada sat on their hands. Don't forget that when you blame the "socialist" ok?

[Mr.Canada]

The Liberal gov't SEIZED a spanish fishing trawler, that means going with armed men and arresting its crew, and dragging the ship to port.

Why are you defending the east coast fishing industry, its a dead horse. That 440 dollars those newfoundlander fishermen will get is sure going to go far

If we don't protect our waters in the Atlantic what will lead other countries to respect Canada on terms of its Arctic sovereignty?

You see it isn't really about just one thing that Canada does but about the whole and how it looks to the rest of world who aren't inside our fish bowl.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[punked]

I agree this should be a non partisan issue, definitely. We're not going to be bale to protect what is ours without spending money to rebuild our fleets that the Liberals have gutted since PET. It takes money to purchase, or better yet build them in Canada, naval ships and supplies in order to protect ourselves and our sovereign waters. It doesn't happen for free.

I am glad to hear that some people on the left haven't lost their heart completely for Canada and some patriotism remains on the left.

What leads me to say that the left aren't very patriotic as every time I go to Babble to read their board they constantly put down patriotism as jingoism so I assumed that that was what the left subscribed to as a whole. I guess there is some on the left who are indeed still patriotic, I stand corrected.

Iceland was using WW1 vessels to protect their waters in the 70s. The thing is they did it.

We shouldn't love and support the government no matter what. In this country the government of all kinds has been anything but the fisherman friend. I bet all of these quotas go to clear water and the sustainable fisherman who need these fish get none. Don't worry the government will find a way to screw the fisherman yet.

[blueblood]

Fish and fishing products make up 40% of Icelands economy today. Even if it wasn't a Lynchpin to Nato Iceland would have fought the Codwars. In Iceland the cod the were what stood between them and 1800s. You have to remember in the 1920s Icelanders dug out a harbour with shovels and buckets at low tied over the course of 10 years. They didn't have anything before the Cod and they were ready to protect it. They didn't have a military they had a coast guard with net cutters. The Royal Navy was sent to protect their boats and they still cut nets they made more expensive to protect the boats then to fish and the UK had to leave. They did this time and time again becuase they were not ready to sell out those country. Like the Liberals and Conservatives did to us.

Wrong, fishing makes up 40% of iceland's exports. Considering that Iceland has a GDP of around 17 Billion dollars, fishing is still peanuts. Also 8% of the workforce is employed in fishing. What's also interesting is that the Canadian agriculture industry generates more dough than the entire GDP of iceland and the two have similar populations. Icelanders may be richer per capita than other countries in the world, but that has been due to the modernization of their economy and a lot of foreign investment, not to mention a tax policy that would make NDPers cringe.

Visit My Website The fishing industry made a billion dollars for iceland. With a GDP of 17 Billion, that tells me their economy is diversified.

However Iceland did say goodbye to the fishing industry as its economy is as diversified as anywhere else in the modern world. If modernizing a country is selling out, they "sold out" just like the rest of them.

[blueblood]

If we don't protect our waters in the Atlantic what will lead other countries to respect Canada on terms of its Arctic sovereignty?

You see it isn't really about just one thing that Canada does but about the whole and how it looks to the rest of world who aren't inside our fish bowl.

We did protect our waters in the Atlantic, the Spanish took off and eventually the cod stocks are somewhat recovering. Now other countries know that there is a chance their boat could be dragged to newfoundland.

[punked]

Wrong, fishing makes up 40% of iceland's exports. Considering that Iceland has a GDP of around 17 Billion dollars, fishing is still peanuts. Also 8% of the workforce is employed in fishing. What's also interesting is that the Canadian agriculture industry generates more dough than the entire GDP of iceland and the two have similar populations. Icelanders may be richer per capita than other countries in the world, but that has been due to the modernization of their economy and a lot of foreign investment, not to mention a tax policy that would make NDPers cringe.

Visit My Website The fishing industry made a billion dollars for iceland. With a GDP of 17 Billion, that tells me their economy is diversified.

However Iceland did say goodbye to the fishing industry as its economy is as diversified as anywhere else in the modern world. If modernizing a country is selling out, they "sold out" just like the rest of them.

According to the CIA fishing provides 70% of export income and employs 6.0% of the workforce. Not only that with their banks going into the toilet fishing is going make a greater amount of the their GDP and employment over the next few years. I don't think anyone can argue the fishing industry isn't important and there is a reason why they protected their fish.

Edited October 4, 2009 by punked

[blueblood]

According to the CIA fishing provides 70% of export income and employs 6.0% of the workforce. Not only that with their banks going into the toilet fishing is going make a greater amount of the their GDP and employment over the next few years. I don't think anyone can argue the fishing industry is important and there is a reason why they protected their fish.

You do realize that means that icelanders are going to be very very poor as a result of that. That's 1 maybe 2 billion dollars flowing into iceland. With the banks hurting and other businesses hurting, fishing isn't going up in value, the GDP is going down.

The fishing industry is a sacred cow over there, employing 6% and only generating 1-2 billion dollars. If Icelanders want to keep the lifestyle they've just obtained, there will be no more cod wars or any other shenanigans like that, they are just as dependant on trade/investment as anywhere else.

[punked]

You do realize that means that icelanders are going to be very very poor as a result of that. That's 1 maybe 2 billion dollars flowing into iceland. With the banks hurting and other businesses hurting, fishing isn't going up in value, the GDP is going down.

The fishing industry is a sacred cow over there, employing 6% and only generating 1-2 billion dollars. If Icelanders want to keep the lifestyle they've just obtained, there will be no more cod wars or any other shenanigans like that, they are just as dependant on trade/investment as anywhere else.

Good thing we are talking about past governments failures to protect resources then right? Fact is we were wrong not to do and Iceland was right.

[blueblood]

Good thing we are talking about past governments failures to protect resources then right? Fact is we were wrong not to do and Iceland was right.

iceland was lucky they had that NATO base there. The Greenland/Iceland/UK gap was a thorn for the NATO, the Iceland base was of enough strategic importance that the British caved. Had iceland not had that base, that country would be in deep kaka at the hands of the british.

Canada did act, a ship was seized and paraded all over the world's media. I'd say we were right.

[punked]

iceland was lucky they had that NATO base there. The Greenland/Iceland/UK gap was a thorn for the NATO, the Iceland base was of enough strategic importance that the British caved. Had iceland not had that base, that country would be in deep kaka at the hands of the british.

Canada did act, a ship was seized and paraded all over the world's media. I'd say we were right.

Yah they acted 45 years after the first time Iceland acted. They acted one when Iceland acted thousands of times looking world powers in the eye and waiting for them to blink. Like it or not Iceland would have had to act even if they weren't part of NATO because unlike Canada fishing back then was what stood between Iceland and the dark ages. Most people in Iceland remembered those dark ages and were ready to do anything to stay away from them.

[blueblood]

Yah they acted 45 years after the first time Iceland acted. They acted one when Iceland acted thousands of times looking world powers in the eye and waiting for them to blink. Like it or not Iceland would have had to act even if they weren't part of NATO because unlike Canada fishing back then was what stood between Iceland and the dark ages. Most people in Iceland remembered those dark ages and were ready to do anything to stay away from them.

And if that base wasn't there, and they weren't a part of NATO, England would have put Iceland back in the dark ages regardless. Quarantine anyone?

[punked]

And if that base wasn't there, and they weren't a part of NATO, England would have put Iceland back in the dark ages regardless. Quarantine anyone?

Nope the Danes would have sent supplies in regardless.

[blueblood]

Nope the Danes would have sent supplies in regardless.

Until they run out of money...

[punked]

Until they run out of money...

That is what ended the British Military siege on Iceland. Like it or not they made the right decision one our own government should have made.