jdobbin Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 Ah.......i served in the PPCLI and was stationed out at Victoria, BC in the 80's when we shared the base with the Pukers....so how long have you served?? Too old to serve now? I haven't served in the military. Quote
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 Too old to serve now?I haven't served in the military. I have done my time and served when i was younger and went where and when i was told to go ...like anybody else who signs that line!! Their soldiers they expect to be sent out to fight and sometimes die, you know that going in....Canadians got to complacent thinking our military is just a job... it isn t!! their job is to kill people when they have to and unfortunately take losses sometimes ...they are superbly trained and able and our guys are inflicting tons of damage on the taliban the media seems to like to report only our losses for some reason but even with the best equipment and training deaths will occur, something Canadian's must come to realize....more men were lost on D Day than have been lost in this entire war. Quote
jdobbin Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 the media seems to like to report only our losses for some reason but even with the best equipment and training deaths will occur, something Canadian's must come to realize....more men were lost on D Day than have been lost in this entire war. So what do you think Canada can do to bring this to a close? Quote
Smallc Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) more men were lost on D Day than have been lost in this entire war. So are you saying that people shouldn't care now? 1 life is too many, but losing lives is unfortunately necessary to fulfill our duty. I support what we are doing in Afghanistan, but each death there is still a tragedy. Edited September 10, 2009 by Smallc Quote
punked Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 So what do you think Canada can do to bring this to a close? Someone sounds like he is voting NDP. Quote
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) So are you saying that people shouldn't care now? 1 life is too many, but losing lives is unfortunately necessary to fulfill our duty. I support what we are doing in Afghanistan, but each death there is still a tragedy. Of course it is........but it comes with the with the Job! soldiers all know this, they drill it into you that you may have to fight and maybe die but this war is a just war and our boys should be proud! i only wish more ordinary Canadians would be proud of them as well! Edited September 10, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) So what do you think Canada can do to bring this to a close? It is hard to say...i believe at some point we will westernize those people and bring them out of the stone ages but it won t happen over night all they have known is war and the old crusties there teach the young the Koran and only the Koran.....when this changes the war win wind down....this is a war of Idealogy!! The question is do we believe in our values and way of life as much as they believe in blowing up everything they see? Edited September 10, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
Smallc Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 Canadians are proud of their troops. They aren't all proud of the mission (I am), but they support the people carrying it out. You don't give your fellow Canadians much credit. Quote
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) Canadians are proud of their troops. They aren't all proud of the mission (I am), but they support the people carrying it out. You don't give your fellow Canadians much credit. Go to some different Canadian forums regarding Afghanistan and you will see why! even some of the posters on here make wonder where Canadians Loyality is... Army Guy has stated the same thing many soldiers feel betrayed by their own countrymen and that is a tragedy! Edited September 10, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
jdobbin Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 It is hard to say...i believe at some point we will westernize those people and bring them out of the stone agesbut it won t happen over night all they have known is war and the old crusties there teach the young the Koran and only the Koran.....when this changes the war win wind down....this is a war of Idealogy!! The question is do we believe in our values and way of life as much as they believe in blowing up everything they see? Unlike World War II, I don't know if there will ever be a time limit for the job. At some point, we will have to decide if there is a different strategy to contain the problem of threats to our security. Quote
Smallc Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 even some of the posters on here make wonder where Canadians Loyality is... You wonder where Canadians loyalty is? Soldiers wonder where Canadian loyalty is? Soldiers see what happens on the highway of heroes and they wonder where Canadian loyalty is? If that's the way that they feel, they're as blind as you. Quote
wyly Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 This here is more than enough reason for me to vote Conservative! Harper is restoring strengh to this country and giving it a backbone, best thing that could happen to Canada is a Majority Harper!! A country with a strong military has clout and will be taken seriously! If the Liberals had their way, our soldiers would be lucky to have muskets!http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/stor...2f-ab974eab0f00 harper is posturing throwing billions of dollars away on a military that could never defend us against any power. Not that would happen, when is the last time superior military has threathened us or questioned or territorial claims??? Russia,never ...China? nope...France? nope...UK? nope...invasions are a not an issue, a military to defend against something that will never happen is the ultimate waste of money... Harper created a spectacle trying to prove what a tough guy he is when Russian planes flew through international airspace, which is their right to do...at no time have Russians ever questioned or threatened our territorial sovereignty.... the only country that has questioned our territorial claims and which we are completely helpless to stop if they wish to challenge it, is the USA...the USA refuses to acknowledge Canada's claim over the NWP and Captian Canada Harper has said nothing, challenge Russians flying in international airspace eewww he so strong, challenge americans claiming our seaways as international territory not a peep out of him...and if the americans send ships through our waterways without permission Harper will do nothing.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) Unlike World War II, I don't know if there will ever be a time limit for the job.At some point, we will have to decide if there is a different strategy to contain the problem of threats to our security. Well your right....this may be a long going battle and honestly we will never be able to totally leave the middle east....we will have to stay and bring them out of their caveman ways..remember they only know what has been jammed down their throats for centuries...as far our security goes that is easy! stop Islamic immigrants for the time being until the terrorism threat lowers...but unfortunately you are a bigot ,evil person or politically incorrect to suggest such... even though it the most obvious and sensible solution ....as a Liberal (yes you heard me right) friend told me once everybody knows it should be done you just can t say it or your political career is Kaput! Edited September 10, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
wyly Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 Maybe they can bring back conscription and rationing too. This is a fight we need to win. this fight can't be won, you cannot defeat an idea...it's a waste of time, lives and resources... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 (edited) You wonder where Canadians loyalty is? Soldiers wonder where Canadian loyalty is? Soldiers see what happens on the highway of heroes and they wonder where Canadian loyalty is? If that's the way that they feel, they're as blind as you. Yes many support them..........just as many don't and when your far from home fighting and risking your life, it would be nice to know your entire country has your back! They make more fuss over a stupid hockey player than a soldier returning from the War! Edited September 10, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 this fight can't be won, you cannot defeat an idea...it's a waste of time, lives and resources... You can if they are given options...their only option now is the Koran! Quote
Smallc Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 a military to defend against something that will never happen is the ultimate waste of money... I don't think that's completely true. A force that can defend a country (even if not against a greater force) is important to that countries sovereignty. A country must have the capability to at least operate in all of it's environments, otherwise it may not have claim to it. A capable force is a good thing for this country....we just shouldn't go overboard. Quote
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 harper is posturing throwing billions of dollars away on a military that could never defend us against any power. Not that would happen, when is the last time superior military has threathened us or questioned or territorial claims??? Russia,never ...China? nope...France? nope...UK? nope...invasions are a not an issue, a military to defend against something that will never happen is the ultimate waste of money... Russia would mow us over in a heart beat if they thought they could!! America keeps them at bay Canada doesn t need a huge Military just a strong one....modern battle tanks which for the most part we have (Leopard 2's) more up to date aircraft ( the f/a-18 is good we just need more of them) the Frigates are going through a refit and our infantry is getting better equiped all the time!! but i really believe (and i know nobody will agree) we a small Nuclear deterent maybe a small nuclear armed submarine fleet! Russia,China would look at us differently and take our Sovereignty more serious as would the American's.... Sorry to say but if you have a Nuke you have game, just the way it is on the international arena! Quote
wyly Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 I don't think that's completely true. A force that can defend a country (even if not against a greater force) is important to that countries sovereignty. A country must have the capability to at least operate in all of it's environments, otherwise it may not have claim to it. A capable force is a good thing for this country....we just shouldn't go overboard.a milita/civil defence to control smuggling, illegal entry, illegal fishing is all we need...if you want to protect our territorial claims then we have to play for real and be serious about it, as it is now Harper is only posturing... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 a milita/civil defence to control smuggling, illegal entry, illegal fishing is all we need...if you want to protect our territorial claims then we have to play for real and be serious about it, as it is now Harper is only posturing... I agree with you on the first point, but I don't agree on the second point. I think that as long as we should that we can use and police the area, we'll be able to keep it. I'm more worried about legal challenges than military ones. Quote
wyly Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 Russia would mow us over in a heart beat if they thought they could!! America keeps them at bayCanada doesn t need a huge Military just a strong one....modern battle tanks which for the most part we have (Leopard 2's) more up to date aircraft ( the f/a-18 is good we just need more of them) the Frigates are going through a refit and our infantry is getting better equiped all the time!! but i really believe (and i know nobody will agree) we a small Nuclear deterent maybe a small nuclear armed submarine fleet! Russia,China would look at us differently and take our Sovereignty more serious as would the American's.... Sorry to say but if you have a Nuke you have game, just the way it is on the international arena! Russia can mow over any number of countries that border it in a heart beat if they wished but they don't, and there is no USA to stop them from doing so...Russia is not threat...what are you going to do with battle tanks in the arctic??? how is that going to prevent american oil tankers from going through the NWP? are battle tanks going to challenge the US nuclear subs patroling our seaways??? Frigates aren't caspable of protecting our territorial calims in arctic pack ice... Nuke deterrent???? surprisingly I agree...without nukes we are impotent against the only country that repeatedly bullies us...with Nukes our territorial claims will be respected and absolute and we will be taken seriously...Canada is the most nuclear capable country on the planet that does not have nukes... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 You can if they are given options...their only option now is the Koran! are you planning to convert them all to christianity...there is as much chance of snuffing out the Taliban as the americans had of defeating the Viet Cong...zero... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Sir Bandelot Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 From what the polls are showing now, Mr. Ignatieff would probably like to just be quiet and not have an election. I doubt that he has the guts to do it. And if he does, he will only show himself to be an ambitious jack-ass = Lose, lose situation. Quote
wulf42 Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 Nuke deterrent???? surprisingly I agree...without nukes we are impotent against the only country that repeatedly bullies us...with Nukes our territorial claims will be respected and absolute and we will be taken seriously...Canada is the most nuclear capable country on the planet that does not have nukes... Now if we could just get the rest of the country to agree! We could produce Nuclear weapons in this country within a month if we wanted to, we have the Nuclear reactors already up and running...and it would certainly get the worlds attention when we tell them to STAY OUT! You don t need many..just a few subs with SLBM's on board. As for the North that would be an Airforce and Navy solution...the Americans don t take us serious exactly because we don t have Nukes! Why do you think they Kiss Pakistan's Butt? Quote
wyly Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 From what the polls are showing now, Mr. Ignatieff would probably like to just be quiet and not have an election. I doubt that he has the guts to do it. And if he does, he will only show himself to be an ambitious jack-ass= Lose, lose situation. actually Ignatieff has no choice but to distance the liberals from the conservatives, it had to be done...if the conservatives wish to cling to power they'll have to play nice to either the NDP or the Bloc which they claim they never would but have done so in the past...so it's up to the conservatives if they want to have an election, not the liberals...only the government can determine an election not the opposition... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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