wyly Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 the entire issue is contrived, there is effectively no such thing as multi-culturalism...in the past and as it is now, immigrants blend in completely with the mainstream within three generations... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
lictor616 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 the entire issue is contrived, there is effectively no such thing as multi-culturalism...in the past and as it is now, immigrants blend in completely with the mainstream within three generations... British colonialists in INdia dirung the British Raj era didn't make any brits turn into Hindu's... And blend into to what? Canada is changing kaleidoscopically.. they blend into what? what will be the mainstream in one generation 30 years? are there any guarantees? absolutely not.. And the immigrants we had here before were ALL EUROPEAN... similar in their mannerisms, language, culture and religion... and of course RACE. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
wulf42 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Posted September 3, 2009 Statistically, of any major city in Canada, Toronto has the lowest rates of crime in the country which is most multicultural. This could be a fallacy as there are mutiple reasons for crime, though I don't think that letting people into the country is one of them nor do I believe that multi-culturalism makes people safer. Indeed, I would more place the blame at the feet of immigrants not being able to sustain proper work because they're not allowed to work in their actual fields. That is the problem we have in the immigrant community here in Toronto and I would imagine that example echoes regardless what ethnic community you're talking about in whatever city you're talking about. It's not multiculturalism that is dangerous but the general situation people find themselves in. Furthermore, please, enlighten me as to how it isn't working? This article is a good read and gives good reasond why it should be abandoned before this country is completely destroyed! http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...st-mistake.aspx Quote
wyly Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 British colonialists in INdia dirung the British Raj era didn't make any brits turn into Hindu's... many did, there is a segment of India's population that have British ancestry...but India is not relevant to the discussion And blend into to what? Canada is changing kaleidoscopically.. they blend into what? what will be the mainstream in one generation 30 years? are there any guarantees? absolutely not.. the vast majority immigrants adopt the values of the Canada...that is guaranteed that you have some preconceived bigoted bias that says otherwise is not reality... And the immigrants we had here before were ALL EUROPEAN... similar in their mannerisms, language, culture and religion... and of course RACE. we've had immigrants from all corners of the globe for a very very long time...similarity do you find between a Dutch Calvinist and Ukrainian Orthodox? language, nope...mannerisms, nope...culture, nope...religion nope...that's 4 for 4 do want to try again? Race? there is no such thing as race in science it's a purely a human invention used for status/discrimination... Canada is a sum of it's parts like the USA everyone blends together.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
jbg Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 we simply can't take everyone....Far too many people come to this country, gain citizenship, and rerturn to their own country. That's why we had to re-patriate 70,000 "Canadians" from Lebanon.There's far too much misery in the world for the countries that have made something of themselves to fix. There's no reason many of these countries cannot become Singapores, South Koreas, etc.The solution is to quit enabling their governments, not to take unlimited numbers of their economic migrants. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 the vast majority immigrants adopt the values of the Canada...that is guaranteed that you have some preconceived bigoted bias that says otherwise is not reality...The special treatment being given the Khadrs, and the government-paid ethnic pride festivals send the opposite message.Canada is a sum of it's parts like the USA everyone blends together....The right expression and the idea is that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. That's how it is in the U.S. I hope it's that way in Canada. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
lictor616 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) many did, there is a segment of India's population that have British ancestry...but India is not relevant to the discussionthe vast majority immigrants adopt the values of the Canada...that is guaranteed that you have some preconceived bigoted bias that says otherwise is not reality... we've had immigrants from all corners of the globe for a very very long time... similarity do you find between a Dutch Calvinist and Ukrainian Orthodox? language, nope...mannerisms, nope...culture, nope...religion nope...that's 4 for 4 do want to try again? Race? there is no such thing as race in science it's a purely a human invention used for status/discrimination... Canada is a sum of it's parts like the USA everyone blends together.... First off, India IS relevant... after prolonged contact (many centuries) with a colonial ruling power (britain) there are no such things as St-George Day parades, or st patrick's day jams ... yet Britain, who's had indians for a bit less then 30 years .. has a DUWALI festival! Do British immigrants in Britain receive Affirmative Action and set aside benefits to become police officers and proffessionals? are you kidding?!?! Do Indians flinch much care, about anti-white discrimination (not very likely! heck they still run the ultra racist CAST SYSTEM over there), do they have hate speech laws against "inciting hatred" when Indian racists say racist things? of course not! http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.php?temp...how&kid=796 oh and "preconceived and bigoted" baaah! crambe repetita. looooooooooool ... swing and a miss buddy: Calvinist and Orthodox are still, wait for it wait for it.. yup CHRISTIANITY.... Dutch and Ukrainians eat with similar utensils, have similar ways of organizing statecraft, similar agricultural knowhow, both have 2 of the 3 language systems (that share many similarities): Slavic and one Germanic... Ukraine is still under the umbrella of the Western world, and Grew as aPrincipality and used to include Poland, Austria and many other countries... all of them EUROPEAN and has similar mores and ways of viewing the world (minus the horrible communist occupation days)... Ukrainians can have blue eyes and blond hair, they have pale skin, similar facial features, while Ukraine has a more dinaric/nordic admixture, Dutch people are Nordic European... look miss Ukraine: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/174560...f6c4230.jpg?v=0 now miss Netherlands: http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06UWcmN3eQdo4/340x.jpg its the SAME GIRL! and please.... why are you ignoring my previous question YET AGAIN... for the third time? PLEASE show us through A and B how Canada owes its status as a "nice place to live in" by UN development monitors/ to its "MULTICULTURALISM"? such as it is... and you still ignore the huge gap in logic of your melting pot analogy: if canada is MULTICULTURAL... what is canadian "culture"? Being everything means you're nothing... if we have no specific identity and no enforced culture... then what in the world are you talking about when you say third worlders become "canadian" (what kind of candian?) because the way I see it... being canadian means merely: to live in canada as a permanent citizen and pay taxes... it has NO other cultural connotations WHATSOEVER. Edited September 4, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
wyly Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 First off, India IS relevant... after prolonged contact (many centuries) with a colonial ruling power (britain) there are no such things as St-George Day parades, or st patrick's day jams ... yet Britain, who's had indians for a bit less then 30 years .. has a DUWALI festival! the british were rulers they had no intention of blending in with Indians or living in India full time, they were occupiers- India is irrelevant... Do British immigrants in Britain receive Affirmative Action and set aside benefits to become police officers and proffessionals? are you kidding?!?! hmmm that makes sense the British are immigrants in their own country... oh and "preconceived and bigoted" baaah! crambe repetita. I was sugar coating it, you're a bigot looooooooooool ... swing and a miss buddy: Calvinist and Orthodox are still, wait for it wait for it.. yup CHRISTIANITY....LOOOOOOOOOL...strike three for you, BUDDY!!! Christianity Islam and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions so I guess that means muslims are the same as christians therefore share the same cultural values as other Canadians...Dutch and Ukrainians eat with similar utensils,utensils...spoons are universal since paleolithic times as are knives, forks were in use in the middleast centuries before europeans who were still using their fingers until the 16th century so I guess muslims of the middleast would fit right in our Canadian culture... have similar ways of organizing statecraft, statecraft? Ukranian history of statecraft in no way resembles dutch, the Netherlands were Republic in 1581 centuries before the Ukraine whose first experience with democracy only came after the collapse of the Soviet Union.... similar agricultural knowhow,every country in the world sticks things and the ground and watches them grow and thats where the similarity ends, agriculture in the Netherlands is nothing like that in the Ukraine look miss Ukraine: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/174560...f6c4230.jpg?v=0now miss Netherlands: http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06UWcmN3eQdo4/340x.jpg blondes? natural/native blondes can be found in N africa, central asia, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, and among Australian aborigines, are you claiming Australian aborigines are the same as Ukranians?????? therefore any country with blondes shares Canadas values and will fit right in... both have 2 of the 3 language systems (that share many similarities): Slavic and one Germanic... India, Pakistan and Iran also share in the greater Indo-European language group with us so they should blend in quite nicely into the Canadian mosaic as well Ukraine is still under the umbrella of the Western world, and Grew as aPrincipality and used to include Poland, Austria and many other countries... so?? pointlessall of them EUROPEAN and has similar mores and ways of viewing the world (minus the horrible communist occupation days)... Ukrainians can have blue eyes and blond hair, they have pale skin, similar facial features, while Ukraine has a more dinaric/nordic admixture, Dutch people are Nordic European... the same can be said of Turks...your racist views are very evident...and please.... why are you ignoring my previous question YET AGAIN... for the third time?third time? you've haven't even asked one coherent questionPLEASE show us through A and B how Canada owes its status as a "nice place to live in" by UN development monitors/ to its "MULTICULTURALISM"? such as it is... through A and B??? more garbled nonsense...and you still ignore the huge gap in logic of your melting pot analogy: if canada is MULTICULTURAL... what is canadian "culture"? Being everything means you're nothing... if we have no specific identity and no enforced culture... then what in the world are you talking about when you say third worlders become "canadian" (what kind of candian?)when did I say Canada was multi cultural???? you very confused...and if you can't identify your own culture you are hopelessly lost...oh sorry I remember now the lictor definition of canadian culture- Blonde hair, Blue eyes, eats with knife and fork, speaks one of a multitude of Indo-European languages, a member of one of the Abrahamic religions, comes from a country with a government and grows things in the ground=Canadian because the way I see it... being canadian means merely: to live in canada as a permanent citizen and pay taxes... it has NO other cultural connotations WHATSOEVER.hmmm sounds like every other country in the world...really I don't think you can see anything clearly your vision is so obscured by a thick cloud of bigotry... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
lictor616 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) the british were rulers they had no intention of blending in with Indians or living in India full time, they were occupiers- India is irrelevant...hmmm that makes sense the British are immigrants in their own country... Ah HA! they had no intention of blending in? hmmm I wonder if you notice that that's my precise point in regards to many innassimilable immigrant groups! what with Kirpans, burkas, turbans in the RCMP... yeah they're just itching to be like us! "of course i meant IMMIGRANTS living in britain"! but you'd rather be willfully obtuse to avoid this damaging point... let me racap: why do Indians (despite a prolonged and important contact with the British) NOT HAVE a St-George Day parade... yet in the UK (despite a relatively MUCH SHORTER TIME) today: the Duwali festival happens every year? who's the bigot? who's mutlicultural? Edited September 4, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
lictor616 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) I was sugar coating it, you're a bigotstatecraft? Ukranian history of statecraft in no way resembles dutch, the Netherlands were Republic in 1581 centuries before the Ukraine whose first experience with democracy only came after the collapse of the Soviet Union.... every country in the world sticks things and the ground and watches them grow and thats where the similarity ends, agriculture in the Netherlands is nothing like that in the Ukraine since you're so willing to debase your argument with insults and ad hominems... maybe you'd be interested in showing me your definition of a bigot, and why I fit that description... Also, please be reasonable when you say taht you can't distinguish a Nordic European and a Australian Aboriginal... if you can't then no wonder you're adopting this tone... Also "Ukraine was the home of the first modern democracy, which exhibited republican form, during the Khmelnytsky uprising in the 17th century". Could you stop your frantic "lowest common denominator" nonsense here.. "sticking things in the ground is all the same"? Ukraine and Dutch wheat/grain windmills are based off each other... and as the "breadbasket of europe" the Ukraine has very similar agricultural techniques. That's such atypical argument of the left... I remember one person speaking of the "equality of mankind" by triumphantly pointing out that "we all bleed red"... as if that was like saying something profound... Oh and please, for the love of god: I repeat: "PLEASE show us through A and B how Canada owes its status as a "nice place to live in" by UN development monitors/ to its "MULTICULTURALISM"? such as it is"... that's FOUR TIMES Edited September 4, 2009 by lictor616 Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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