Tory MPs blame provinces for tax harmonization

[madmax]

And your second "quote" has to do with the actual BC decision - it was made by the Provincial Government alone - the Feds are not part of the deciosion making - they can only encourage all provinces to adopt the HST. You know that Dobbin - it's Provincial juristiction.

And the fact that the Conservatives are giving ONTARIO 4.3 Billion really means the CPC are totally against tax harmonization.

They are not into taking the shit that comes with picking our pockets.

The CPC will benefit by giving us Joes a royal bending over and finger check. They had blown the bank, and were going to force this wonderful prize on us whether we like it or not.

The CPC spent and gave away money like it was growing on trees. And now the big corporate tax cuts have proven to do jack squat, the CPC need to get money from joe and jane consumer.

If you want to implement this tax, pay the price.

Here is a CPC tax twisting pin head.

Why isn't Conservative MP Larry Miller happy about Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty's decision to harmonize the 8% provincial sales tax with Ottawa's 5% goods and services tax on July 1, 2010 -- next Canada Day?

Haven't Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty praised McGuinty's move, saying it will help the Ontario economy?

Haven't they given McGuinty $4.3 billion of federal taxpayers' money to get on with it?

Why then, is Miller hiding the federal Conservatives' light under a bushel by writing in the Owen Sound Sun Times that constituents in his riding have "many concerns" about the 13% "harmonized" sales tax and stressing "this was a change initiated by the province of Ontario and was not a decision made by the federal government in any way?"

Bill Murdoch is just as popular in the region and is pulling no punches.

True, but as Tory MPP Bill Murdoch who represents the same riding provincially pointed out, the feds certainly encouraged McGuinty with that $4.3 billion incentive.

Obviously, Miller is getting the same earful from his constituents that many of McGuinty's Liberal MPPs are.

Conservative MPs may remain in the background, but those that come out and throw it against the fan, are going to get the blowback.

Here is the link to the Conservative Sun Paper..

and the only thing in keeping with its bias is an attack on the Ontario Liberals in the headline.

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/editoria...569856-sun.html

Edited August 23, 2009 by madmax

[Oleg Bach]

Would be nice if the "Ontario liberals" were actually real liberals instead of fake ones doing the private bidding of old conservative buisness types. The only real liberals they have are those with the cut out leather shorts in the gay day parade - just enough of an diversion to keep up and coming young conservatives preturbed and disorientated by the orientation. Toronto will always be a conservative town - who ever has the money rules..same for all of Ontario - and no way are we going to let some wack job liberals sit on the board of a major bank..but we will let one be mayor..cerimonial of couse.

[tango]

Would be nice if the "Ontario liberals" were actually real liberals instead of fake ones doing the private bidding of old conservative buisness types. The only real liberals they have are those with the cut out leather shorts in the gay day parade - just enough of an diversion to keep up and coming young conservatives preturbed and disorientated by the orientation. Toronto will always be a conservative town - who ever has the money rules..same for all of Ontario - and no way are we going to let some wack job liberals sit on the board of a major bank..but we will let one be mayor..cerimonial of couse.

Toronto is a Liberal town, but largely in the conservative sense. Lots of the guys in the shorts are conservative too.

BC

Tax strikes a harmonious chord

Business owners expect advantages even if they're short on specifics

By Lena Sin, The ProvinceAugust 23, 2009

Council of Forest Industries CEO John Allan sees the HST as a significant boost for the troubled forestry sector, perhaps saving it as much as $140 million through credit claims.

Council of Forest Industries CEO John Allan sees the HST as a significant boost for the troubled forestry sector, perhaps saving it as much as $140 million through credit claims.

Photograph by: Arlen Redekop, The Province, The Province

Mike Bohonos admits he was horrified when the provincial government first announced the introduction of a Harmonized Sales Tax.

But after weeks of talking to accountants and other businesses, the controller for Jenner Chevrolet in Victoria has come around to seeing its advantages -- even if he can't quite quantify them yet.

"I would say after the initial shell shock, I'm probably more in favour of it," Bohonos says.

The family-run car dealership is among the thousands of businesses in B.C. expected to reap cost savings from the HST. But a lack of understanding of the new tax has left even some businesses confused about how they will benefit.

Under the proposal, the provincial sales tax and federal goods and services tax would be harmonized into a single 12-per-cent tax, effective July 1, 2010.

Proponents of the HST, including the B.C. Chamber of Commerce and the Institute of Chartered Accountants of B.C., explain there are two main benefits to the move:

- First, businesses will save on administrative costs. Instead of dealing with two taxes -- the five-per-cent GST and seven-per-cent PST -- businesses will save time and money by having paperwork for just one.

- Second, businesses will see costs reduced by claiming an HST credit for all goods purchased for the operation of their business. Currently, businesses can only claim a tax credit on the GST paid for "input" resources, with no mechanism to reclaim the PST they pay on "inputs."

In total, the B.C. government claims an estimated $1.9 billion of sales tax will be removed from business inputs.

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http://www.theprovince.com/business/strike...1789/story.html

ON

PETERBOROUGH -- A federal Conservative MP may be distancing himself from the controversial harmonized sales tax, but Premier Dalton McGuinty says he couldn't have done it without the Stephen Harper government.

McGuinty said yesterday his government made the decision to proceed with a 13% harmonized federal and provincial sales tax.

"But what made it more feasible was the agreement that we entered into with the federal government to provide us with financial support which we intend to pass onto our families and our small businesses to help them adjust to the single sales tax," McGuinty said.

"So we initiated it, I think that's fair to say, and we had a good productive conversation with the federal government that enabled us to move ahead."

Ottawa gave the McGuinty government $4.3 billion which is being used to send out $1,000 rebates to most families and $300 to most individuals, and also to lower personal and small business taxes.

The HST will extend the 8% PST to many items and services not previously subject to the tax, such as home heating fuel, lawyer and accountant fees and inexpensive shoes.

Conservative MP Larry Miller wrote in Sun sister paper the Owen Sound Sun Times last week that residents in his riding of Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound had been raising "many concerns" with him about the HST, which goes into effect on July 1, 2010.

"First, I want to make it clear that this was a change initiated by the province of Ontario and was not a decision made by the federal government in any way," Miller says in his opinion piece, From The Hill.

"Mr. McGuinty must not only commit to maintaining as many exemptions as possible, he must also commit that the change to the new tax system will be revenue neutral."

PC Bill Murdoch, who represents the same area provincially, said the federal Conservatives are trying to pretend they had nothing to do with the HST, which is going over very poorly in his riding.

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I'll take the rebate!