Born Free Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Obama was never the "bringer of peace..... Its been a long while since we've seen a President actually do just that. Can anyone cite the "official" mission in Afghanistan from a government or NATO source as opposed to an opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Its been a long while since we've seen a President actually do just that. Can anyone cite the "official" mission in Afghanistan from a government or NATO source as opposed to an opinion? NATO describes its Afghanistan mission here: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_8189.htm U.S. presidents don't get paid for peace....they get paid to execute the duties of the office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted January 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 That some would see and hear this obvious message as "peace" remains a mystery. Especially if they are Norwegian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Free Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 NATO describes its Afghanistan mission here: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_8189.htm Do you believe the US mission and the NATO mission to be the same? U.S. presidents don't get paid for peace....they get paid to execute the duties of the office. That's not entirely accurate... http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/jimmycarterbook625jan18.jpg http://mamaneeds2rant.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/reagan-gorbachev.jpg http://www.fuenterrebollo.com/Israel/rabin-clinton-arafat-pq.jpg Some even think they get paid to start a war.... http://mikebeckham.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/bush-mission-accomplished.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Do you believe the US mission and the NATO mission to be the same? No....the US maintains additional capabilities and objectives. That's not entirely accurate... Yes it is....if American interests include peace...then there shall be peace. If such interests include war, then there shall be war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Free Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 No....the US maintains additional capabilities and objectives. Can you elaborate? ...if American interests include peace...then there shall be peace. If such interests include war, then there shall be war. Ergo, U.S. presidents do indeed get paid for peace. Some have even been successful at peace but not of recent vintage. I believe its called foreign policy. However, peace is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Can you elaborate? The United States has separate assets deployed to Afghanistan as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, they chop to CENTCOM, not NATO. The CIA also has a separate command structure. For instance, some tactical air units are "NATO birds" depending on the mission, while the USAF/USN/USA/CIA retain operational command of others. Ergo, U.S. presidents do indeed get paid for peace. Some have even been successful at peace but not of recent vintage. I believe its called foreign policy. However, peace is a good thing. Not always...that's what Neville Chamberlain thought too. US presidents get paid for a lot of things, including war and peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Free Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Not always...that's what Neville Chamberlain thought too. US presidents get paid for a lot of things, including war and peace. The actions of Carter, Reagan, & Clinton seem to fly in the face of your assertion that "U.S. presidents don't get paid for peace"....after all that was your very authoratative claim. Do you have a problem in remembering what you write or do you simply prefer to play word games rather than simply acknowleging your mistaken belief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) The actions of Carter, Reagan, & Clinton seem to fly in the face of your assertion that "U.S. presidents don't get paid for peace"....after all that was your very authoratative claim. All three of those presidents used American military and intelligence resources for very "unpeaceful" operations. Do you have a problem in remembering what you write or do you simply prefer to play word games rather than simply acknowleging your mistaken belief? Your semantic battle is cute but irrelevant to the application of American power around the world....by any president. Do you have a problem with counting bodies? Peace is your illusion, not mine. Edited January 16, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Free Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Your semantic battle is cute but irrelevant to the application of American power around the world....by any president. Do you have a problem with counting bodies? Peace is your illusion, not mine. You are now changing the subject. I simply challenged your authorative assertion and proved it to be in error. If you are unable to acknowledge your error ... so be it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 You are now changing the subject. I simply challenged your authorative assertion and proved it to be in error. If you are unable to acknowledge your error ... so be it... If you say so....in such an "authorative" way...LOL! Enjoy the peace..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Free Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 If you say so....in such an "authorative" way...LOL! Enjoy the peace..... I do say so.... Pax Vobiscum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) The Wrath of Obama Thousands carry flag-draped coffins, anti-Obama signs in DC protest Sun Mar 21, 3:52 AM The Associated Press WASHINGTON - Thousands of protesters - many directing their anger squarely at President Barack Obama - marched through the nation's capital Saturday to urge immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. At least eight people, including activist Cindy Sheehan, were arrested by U.S. Police at the end of the march, after laying coffins at a fence outside the White House. Friday marked the seventh anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. Despite the arrests, the protest was peaceful. At the outset, police closed a portion of the sidewalk in front of the White House fence after protesters tried to use mud and large stencils to spell out "Iraq veterans against the war." Once the sidewalk was closed, the protesters stenciled the message on the street using mud they had carried in buckets to the rally. The protesters defied orders to clear the sidewalk on Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House and park police say they face charges of failure to obey a lawful order. Sheehan asked whether "the honeymoon was over with that war criminal in the White House" - an apparent reference to Obama - prompting applause. "Arrest that war criminal!" Sheehan shouted before her arrest, referring to Obama. Activist Ralph Nader told thousands who gathered in Lafayette Park across from the White House that Obama has essentially continued the policies of the Bush administration, and it was foolish to have thought otherwise. "He's kept Guantanamo open, he's continued to use indefinite detention," Nader said. The only real difference, he said is that "Obama's speeches are better." ... Edited April 4, 2010 by Sir Bandelot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted April 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 (edited) The Wrath of Obama In its FY 2011 budget request for security assistance programmes for Africa, the Obama administration is asking for 38 million dollars for the Foreign Military Financing programme to pay for U.S. arms sales to African countries. The administration is also asking for 21 million dollars for the International Military Education and Training Programme to bring African military officers to the United States, and 24.4 million dollars for Anti-Terrorism Assistance programmes in Africa. The Obama administration has also taken a number of other steps to expand U.S. military involvement in Africa. Speaking before a Senate Armed Service Committee hearing in March 2010, the commander of Africom, stated "should it prove successful, there's potential that it could be expanded to other battalions as well." The millions who actually believed Obama's pretty words during the election campaign must now be disillusioned. It's becoming clear that Obama's intention of "reaching out to our enemies" only implies doing so, with the end of a bayonet. Edited April 4, 2010 by Sir Bandelot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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