dub Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Posted July 16, 2009 You didn't say Jews. then don't lie. you'll end up looking like DoP. You said Zionism (which is a core belief of 75% of the world's Jews) was which is pretty much saying that what most Jews believe is a cancer and therefore are part of this cancer by propagating and believing in it. zionism is an ideology. a racist one that some jews and even some christians like to follow. it has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion and everything to do with a political movement. so don't make shit up. Quote
jbg Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 You didn't say Jews. You said Zionism (which is a core belief of 75% of the world's Jews) was which is pretty much saying that what most Jews believe is a cancer and therefore are part of this cancer by propagating and believing in it. Thanks for calling him on that. I am a Zionist and proud of it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 zionism is an ideology. a racist one that some jews and even some christians like to follow. it has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion and everything to do with a political movement.Zionism is simply the same longing for national self-determination and love of place that led Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania to demand and receive independence in the wake of World War I. And eventually led Georgia, Khazakstan, Azerbejan, Ukraine, and others to demand and receive independence in the wake of the collapse of Communism. And then again Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania to demand real freedom from Russian domination.Zionism is the yearning of many Jews to either live in or at least symbolically have a real homeland. It is rooted in a culture and religion that is at least 5769 years old. Probably before the First Nations inhabited America. Anti-Zionism is the ideology that supports denying the right of Jews to self-determination, liberation and right to live for the Jews. From the beginning of time people have found different reasons and methods to deny Jews those rights. Never again will it succeed!!! Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 zionism is an ideology. a racist one that some jews and even some christians like to follow. it has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion and everything to do with a political movement. In response to my last post (link), crickets. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bonam Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Good post jbg. Zionism is simply the belief that Jews should have a national homeland. There is nothing racist in such a belief. The fact that this term has been twisted and given a sinister connotation among most Westerners is very unfortunate. Quote
KrustyKidd Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 then don't lie. you'll end up looking like DoP. Where did I lie Dub? I watched you play word games for a couple of weeks on your bullshit contention that Israel never accepted UN Resolution 181 and Partition and now, you accuse me of lying again. Show it. zionism is an ideology. a racist one that some jews and even some christians like to follow. it has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion and everything to do with a political movement. so don't make shit up. If it is a simple politics, why do Jews follow it more than Muslims? As for being racist, heck, you can join a Zionist group if you feel left out. Or are there too many Jews in those types of organizations for your liking? Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
jbg Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 As for being racist, heck, you can join a Zionist group if you feel left out. Or are there too many Jews in those types of organizations for your liking?You would fare far better, in a safety sense, joining a Jewish group than a Muslim one, I suppose. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Good post jbg.ThanksZionism is simply the belief that Jews should have a national homeland. There is nothing racist in such a belief. The fact that this term has been twisted and given a sinister connotation among most Westerners is very unfortunate.As I said, many have a problem with the idea of Jews not being under the thumb of some oppressive minority. Too f***** bad. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Many on the planet seem to be unaware that the Arabs had their own form of "Zionism" under the Grand Mufti. Fellows like dub practiaclly deny his existance. They especially down play the connection between the Mufti and Nazi Germany and The Holocaust. Or that Arafat was his beloved nephew... When asked why both Hamas and Hezbollah use the fascist salute (as per Nazi Germany), the response is silence. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
KrustyKidd Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 Many on the planet seem to be unaware that the Arabs had their own form of "Zionism" under the Grand Mufti. Fellows like dub practiaclly deny his existance. They especially down play the connection between the Mufti and Nazi Germany and The Holocaust. Or that Arafat was his beloved nephew...When asked why both Hamas and Hezbollah use the fascist salute (as per Nazi Germany), the response is silence. I approve of Palestine's right to exist but I wonder if Dub approves of Israel's right to exist. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
dub Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Posted July 16, 2009 I approve of Palestine's right to exist but I wonder if Dub approves of Israel's right to exist. if you approved their right to exist, you would not make excuses for israel's decades long stall and land annexation. you'd also be all over the illegal settlements that are the major problem from a palestinian state happening. as much as i think it was wrong to push a state onto the palestinians, we're at a point of no return and i support israel's right to exist. Quote
KrustyKidd Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 i support israel's right to exist. Yea! And even the qualifiers made sense. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
dub Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Posted July 16, 2009 Yea! And even the qualifiers made sense. do you support a palestinian state as according to the UN resolutions or as according to what a rogue state says? Quote
KrustyKidd Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 do you support a palestinian state as according to the UN resolutions or as according to what a rogue state says? The former however, it is now, thanks to the aggression of 1958 by the Arabs impossible to return to the borders as per 1948 so we are left with the 67 borders as reality. Continued attacks by a chaotic PA ensure that even this be a passed opportunity. Quote We're Paratroopers Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded - CPT Richard Winters
dub Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Posted July 16, 2009 The former however, it is now, thanks to the aggression of 1958 by the Arabs impossible to return to the borders as per 1948 so we are left with the 67 borders as reality. Continued attacks by a chaotic PA ensure that even this be a passed opportunity. see. you're making excuses. the settlements are not a defensive move. there are no suicide bombers or even rockets coming from the west bank at the moment, yet, the settlements are still being expanded. show some integrity and stop being a mouthpiece for extremists. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) duk of death: even rockets coming from the west bank at the moment ...at the moment. Many a suicide bomber came from the West Bank onto an Israeli bus. Then KABOOM!! ...yet, the settlements are still being expanded. Even Israelis have kids. Edited July 16, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 16, 2009 Report Posted July 16, 2009 dum: ...show some integrity and stop being a mouthpiece for extremists. Any comments on this fellow? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat Or how about this hombre? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni Howz about a few blurbs re: this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamal_Abdel_Nasser Any connection to this dude? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann How about this upstanding member of the community? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler Or this good ol' boy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich Not to mention, this life of the party? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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