Wild Bill Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 It was said yesterday, when a NDP governs in a recession it THEIR fault but when a Conservative does it, its a global problem! Talk about revising history! I lived through those times. What planet were you on? You're right that at that time there was a global problem. What matters is what specific things did Rae's government do to try to deal with it. For one, they deliberately pumped over $10 billion dollars into government 'make work' projects, believing that they could 'spend their way out of a recession'. I personally witnessed some of those projects, like pouring concrete for highways in the coldest part of winter. Any idiot knows that you can't do that. The concrete froze, cracked and was a complete waste of money. Personal friends of mine worked for the Highways and protested. They were over-ruled by Rae's NDP Ministry. They didn't care! All that was important was hiring temporary workers to use on such projects, to give them enough paid weeks to qualify for EI. Even supposedly mandatory safety training was waived for these workers! I swear, Rae's people all found a stop sign to be a week's good reading! They seemed to have absolutely no common sense or practicality in their approaches at all. 'Artsies' and 'flakes', the lot of them! And holding the purse of the province while they were at it! At the end, we were left with a deficit INCREASED by that $10 billion! And a lot of infrastructure projects that were unsafe, falling down and had to be done over. THAT's why so many Ontarioans have no respect for Rae's government! The whole world was in a global recession but that can't excuse the 'wing nut' way Rae's people tried to deal with it! You tell a good poker player not by the cards he's dealt but rather by how he plays them! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
tango Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 I swear, Rae's people all found a stop sign to be a week's good reading! ... 'Artsies' and 'flakes', the lot of them! Contradiction: "Artsies" can read. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
daniel Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 ...For one, they deliberately pumped over $10 billion dollars into government 'make work' projects, believing that they could 'spend their way out of a recession'. ... Hey, somebody's doing the same thing at the Federal level and he just praised himself for it yesterday. Quote
the janitor Posted June 15, 2009 Report Posted June 15, 2009 Alberta is both blessed and cursed by dinosaurs having been buried great quantities under its soil. Alberta's problem is not so much the dinosaurs buried under its soil as much as it is the dinosaurs sitting on the government side of the Alberta legislature Quote
fellowtraveller Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 I mean right now. How is Alberta managing its money now? I also find the continuing attitude of being better than the rest of the country somewhat disturbing. Same answer: not bad. Could be better, but right now we are in the middle of a huge infrastruture program that began last year. Don't worry though, the money comes solely from AB tax coffers. We managed to balance budgets at $12/barrel, we'll cut back when its $50 to make ends meet. We'll still send all we can to our fellow Canadians, in spite of your mean spiritedness and sense of aggrieved entitlement.. Quote The government should do something.
fellowtraveller Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 Alberta's problem is not so much the dinosaurs buried under its soil as much as it is the dinosaurs sitting on the government side of the Alberta legislature Yes, Albertans and Canadians have suffered greatly the last decade. All that dinosaur fueled and directed prosperity is horrible. Quote The government should do something.
Smallc Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 Same answer: not bad. Could be better, but right now we are in the middle of a huge infrastruture program that began last year.Don't worry though, the money comes solely from AB tax coffers. Well, except for the $4B in federal transfers (yes, I realize it's a net negative). As for mean spiritedness towards Alberta...no.....simply responses to mean spirited comments from some of the Albertans on this forum. Quote
Wild Bill Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Contradiction:"Artsies" can read. You're right! Perhaps I should have said it appears to be the poli-sci majors from Queens who join the NDP to pour concrete when it's freezing out! You know, the ones who think that because they're articulate that's the same as knowing what they're doing. The ones who dropped maths and sciences as soon as those beans in the jar for their science project sprouted a few inches and died... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wild Bill Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Hey, somebody's doing the same thing at the Federal level and he just praised himself for it yesterday. No argument there! What do you expect from the head of the (New Progressive)Conservative Party of Canada? Why did Manning ever bother? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
fellowtraveller Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 Well, except for the $4B in federal transfers (yes, I realize it's a net negative). As for mean spiritedness towards Alberta...no.....simply responses to mean spirited comments from some of the Albertans on this forum. Like I said, we'll keep supporting whatever excellent fiscal choices your provincial govt makes, and we'll do it with cold hard cash. You may be surprised to hear that the extent to which Alberta supports the country financially is pretty much never talked about here: by the papers, by the politicians, by people day to day. So I don't know what you mean by mean spirited. The transfer of wealth, a significant amount for a long time, is just our gift to you. We love you. I know it's hard to accept charity, but it's the system you've chosen. Quote The government should do something.
Smallc Posted June 17, 2009 Report Posted June 17, 2009 I'm talking about comments on this website...not Albertans in general. From experience, the people here don't represent the mainstream. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 I'm talking about comments on this website...not Albertans in general. From experience, the people here don't represent the mainstream. I see. Do you think the Albertans who elect Conservative governments in AB represent the mainstream? Quote The government should do something.
fellowtraveller Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Well, except for the $4B in federal transfers Is that the leftovers from the approximately $20 billion being spent by the AB govt? Quote The government should do something.
Smallc Posted June 19, 2009 Report Posted June 19, 2009 Is that the leftovers from the approximately $20 billion being spent by the AB govt? ? The Alberta government doesn't send any money to Ottawa. The Alberta taxpayers send a net amount of about $18B, which the rest of us are quite thankful for. Quote
Smallc Posted June 19, 2009 Report Posted June 19, 2009 I see. Do you think the Albertans who elect Conservative governments in AB represent the mainstream? Yes....but I fail to see how that implies that anyone on here is mainstream (and I'm not only talking about Albertans). Quote
fellowtraveller Posted June 19, 2009 Report Posted June 19, 2009 We are all special snowflakes here? Quote The government should do something.
Argus Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 THAT's why so many Ontarioans have no respect for Rae's government! You're talking about the people who continue to troop down to the polls each election to re-elect that slimy, sleazy, phony halfwit, Dalton McGuinty and his enfeebled, incompetent government. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Yes, because the recent history of balanced budgets from federal Liberal governments should be ignored. Look at Alberta. How are they doing? Recent history? I don't think there are many governments who can't balance a budget during boom years when combined with overtaxation, especially when they don't care enough about problems to do anything about them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 I'm not sure if we'd be any better or worse off but your comparison with Ontario Liberals suffers from too many flaws to be accurate. Aside from assuming that the Ontario party is the exact same as the federal party you'd also have to ignore the fact that Ontario has a huge manufacturing sector which is arguably the worst hit industry in this recession. I don't think manufacturing makes up the same percentage of Canada's economy as it does for Ontario. No matter who was in power in Ontario I doubt the job loss numbers would be much different. You're quite probably right. On the other hand, the Ontario Liberals increased government spending by 50% during their first term - with tax hikes to match, of course. So if spending and taxation were far lower when the recession hit then things might not have gone so far south so fast. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted June 21, 2009 Report Posted June 21, 2009 I'M not who will get the leadership of the Tories but after reading what the The Star had to say, makes one stop and really think about the Tories. Elliot, wants to freeze wages and bring in a flat tax that will help people making $200,000 or more. Did she get this from her Hubby? http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/653871 Quote
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