Question for aboriginals in Canada.

[Machjo]

If there are any aboriginals here, I was wondering what your thoughts are on Canada.

Do you identify as a Canadian? If not, then how do you identify yourself. If so, then do you consider it a simple legal identity (i.e. just a legal techincality, passport holder, etc.), or as a source of nationalist identity?

What are your thoughts on the notion of 'two founding nations', aboriginal sovereignty, two official languages, etc. etc. etc.

Though I've had aboriginal friends in the past, I've had few, so this could be quite enlightening to me.

[Griz]

If there are any aboriginals here, I was wondering what your thoughts are on Canada.

Do you identify as a Canadian? If not, then how do you identify yourself. If so, then do you consider it a simple legal identity (i.e. just a legal techincality, passport holder, etc.), or as a source of nationalist identity?

What are your thoughts on the notion of 'two founding nations', aboriginal sovereignty, two official languages, etc. etc. etc.

Though I've had aboriginal friends in the past, I've had few, so this could be quite enlightening to me.

1. 
   Proud to be Canadian, but also aboriginal tribe of origin who has a proud history with songs and tradition!
   Not NHL, Not the Simpsons, Not some song called "Take Me Out To The Ballgame."
   2 Founding Nations? HMMMHH Interesting that they mention that when the newcomers fought for the land, the Huron and Iroquois were recruited as allies and once the English won, they conveniently forgot to mention those great indian warriors
   How come nobody ever mentions Tecumseh who saved Canada from becoming yanks?
   Or the Huron Youth who saved the english from scurvy, when they were stuck on their ship in an ice-jam, with a decoction made from tree bark etc?
   The next time the english came over they loaded down with lemons and limes and the rest is history
   100 years later, some wise-guy scientist stole the remedy and called it Buckley's Mixture
   Once again no credit given to the indians
   The history books outright lie and make it look as though, once the Europeans showed up that the indians have it better despite all that has happened to the indians from the whiteman including: land squatting, arson, rape, kidnapping, child molestation, oh and terrorism
   You know that saying "the Indians Have been fighting Terrorism since 1492
   Yup--I am still proud to be a Canadian
   

[Machjo]

1. 
   Proud to be Canadian, but also aboriginal tribe of origin who has a proud history with songs and tradition!
   Not NHL, Not the Simpsons, Not some song called "Take Me Out To The Ballgame."
   2 Founding Nations? HMMMHH Interesting that they mention that when the newcomers fought for the land, the Huron and Iroquois were recruited as allies and once the English won, they conveniently forgot to mention those great indian warriors
   How come nobody ever mentions Tecumseh who saved Canada from becoming yanks?
   Or the Huron Youth who saved the english from scurvy, when they were stuck on their ship in an ice-jam, with a decoction made from tree bark etc?
   The next time the english came over they loaded down with lemons and limes and the rest is history
   100 years later, some wise-guy scientist stole the remedy and called it Buckley's Mixture
   Once again no credit given to the indians
   The history books outright lie and make it look as though, once the Europeans showed up that the indians have it better despite all that has happened to the indians from the whiteman including: land squatting, arson, rape, kidnapping, child molestation, oh and terrorism
   You know that saying "the Indians Have been fighting Terrorism since 1492
   Yup--I am still proud to be a Canadian
   

Thanks for the info.

So based on your experience, would you say your ideas are typical?

And how would you define Canadian culture? For istance, right now we have the notion of two founding nations, official multiculturalism within the context of official bilingualism? Do you identify with this definiiton of Canada? Based on the above, you don't. But if not, then how would you define a Canadian Identity that would be acceptable to you?

Also, what do you think of the following article:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090531/...ench_aboriginal

[Borg]

Also, what do you think of the following article:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090531/...ench_aboriginal

If I may - that article simply mirrors what I have been stating all along.

French rights are almost always brought to the top as the primary language that MUST be supported - even to the detriment of the majority who do not speak it.

I have said many times - in kebec - as long as they are part of Canada - speak french.

Outside kebec - the french are a very small minority - speak the local language.

Nice to see our northen neighbours have recognized french is a problem language that receives preferential treatment and are moving to do something about it - perhaps they should simply emulate what happened in kebec and out law the french language - their lives would indeed become easier. They will find it difficult - without federal dollars to support three languages - it now becomes even more expensive.

Borg

Edited June 2, 2009 by Borg

[Smallc]

Thank God you aren't part of any type of a majority voice in Canada.

[Machjo]

If I may - that article simply mirrors what I have been stating all along.

French rights are almost always broght to the top as the primary language that MUST be supported - even to the detriment of the majority who do not speak it.

I have said many times - in kebec - as long as they are part of Canada - speak french.

Outside kebec - the french are a very small minority - speak the local language.

Nice to see our northen neighbours have recognized french is a problem language that receives preferential treatment and are moving to do something about it - perhaps they should simply emulate what happened in kebec and out law the french language - their lives would indeed become easier. They will find it difficult - without federal dollars to support three languages - it now becomes even more expensive.

Borg

Though I agree with the thrust of your argument, I oppose your motive, obvious contempt for 'kebek' in a desire to have it 'outlawed'.

While I agree that it's somewhat rediculous at the territorial level to make French official in the NWT, your idea of 'outlawing' it is ridiculous and merely reveals your contempt for that language and us.

Strange how two people can agree on a principle yet be totally at odds on the motives behind it.

[Smallc]

While I agree that it's somewhat ridiculous at the territorial level to make French official in the NWT

There was never a choice. Territories are not Provincial jurisdiction, they are federal, and so by default, they must have at a minimum the languages of the federal government.

[Borg]

Though I agree with the thrust of your argument, I oppose your motive, obvious contempt for 'kebek' in a desire to have it 'outlawed'.

Turn about would only be fair play - try putting up an Anglo sign advertising your business in kebec

Borg

[Leafless]

And how would you define Canadian culture?

Same as the U.S.

It's mainstream culture is the English culture.

For istance, right now we have the notion of two founding nations,

Like you say it is only a notion ( a vague idea).

The fact is Canada was created by the British North America Act by way of confederation.

official multiculturalism within the context of official bilingualism?

A policy implemented by a supremacist government.

Do you identify with this definiiton of Canada?

'Which is a policy implemented by a supremacist government .... absolutely.

Based on the above, you don't. But if not, then how would you define a Canadian Identity that would be acceptable to you?

'CANADIAN'

[Molly]

Same as the U.S.

That is a repugnant comment.

[Borg]

That is a repugnant comment.

Then refute it rather than insult it

Borg

[Smallc]

Then refute it rather than insult it.

It should already be self evident that it's wrong...but of course you probably agree.

[charter.rights]

Ha ha ha....This whole thread demonstrates the problem in Canada.

The question was asked:

If there are any aboriginals here, I was wondering what your thoughts are on Canada.

Do you identify as a Canadian? If not, then how do you identify yourself. If so, then do you consider it a simple legal identity (i.e. just a legal techincality, passport holder, etc.), or as a source of nationalist identity?

What are your thoughts on the notion of 'two founding nations', aboriginal sovereignty, two official languages, etc. etc. etc.

Though I've had aboriginal friends in the past, I've had few, so this could be quite enlightening to me.

So far as I understand it only one native responded. Yet there are many comments and opinions from everyone but native people. Seems you all think you are experts on aboriginal issues. I can tell you from my direct experience from working closely with native people, that the majority of you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The rest of you are wrong.

Now. Are there any native people here that want to offer an opinion on the questions posed?

[Smallc]

Seems you all think you are experts on aboriginal issues.

I know more about this particular subject than you could ever imagine.

[charter.rights]

I know more about this particular subject than you could ever imagine.

No you don't. From what you have presented here you are stuck in the myths that plague most Canadians. You have a limited sample and have tried to draw generalizations from it. You really haven't got a clue.

When you learn the legal, social and geographical history of our contact with First Nations and the effects they have had on our presnet day society then come back and we'll discuss it further. Right now you are in lala land with the rest.

[Smallc]

No you don't. From what you have presented here you are stuck in the myths that plague most Canadians. You have a limited sample and have tried to draw generalizations from it. You really haven't got a clue.

Limited sample.... Yes....well...jsut because I can't make up half truths that are as creative as yours doesn't mean that I am struck with myths....you are the only one who seems t o be struck with myths.

http://www.google.ca/maps

Zoom in on Cornwall Island while your on the subject of me not knowing...notice the International border.

[Machjo]

Turn about would only be fair play - try putting up an Anglo sign advertising your business in kebec

Borg

Following your logic, since minority religions are persecuted in Iran, we should persecute Muslims here.

That's just a sign of a vengeful character.

[Machjo]

It should already be self evident that it's wrong...but of course you probably agree.

Nothing is ever 'self-evident'. We should avoid Gramscian common sense:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci#Hegemony

[charter.rights]

Limited sample.... Yes....well...jsut because I can't make up half truths that are as creative as yours doesn't mean that I am struck with myths....you are the only one who seems t o be struck with myths.

http://www.google.ca/maps

Zoom in on Cornwall Island while your on the subject of me not knowing...notice the International border.

A "border" is an imaginary line. Can you see something that really isn't there? It would be consistent with your belief in myths......though....

[Machjo]

I'll admit I know little of how natives really feel. But no need on anyone's part to start insulting each other over 'not knowing' or being in Lala land.

[Smallc]

Nothing is ever 'self-evident'.

To say that Canadian culture is American culture is repugnant, and is a further example of how little leafless actually knows about this country.

[Smallc]

A "border" is an imaginary line. Can you see something that really isn't there? It would be consistent with your belief in myths......though....

Ha, that's rich.

[charter.rights]

To say that Canadian culture is American culture is repugnant, and is a further example of how little leafless actually knows about this country.

Notwithstanding that in the true sense there is no such thing as a definable "Canadian culture", the cultural ethic in Canada does not resemble the Americans or the British. There are smackings of French and native cultures intermingled in our society but that doe not make it a Canadian culture. It is just individual cultures in a multi-cultural context.

[Smallc]

Part of Canadian culture is that we have many different groupsa nd voices...but I'm not going to argue with you anymore...it's not worth it.

Edited June 2, 2009 by Smallc

[Borg]

Following your logic, since minority religions are persecuted in Iran, we should persecute Muslims here.

That's just a sign of a vengeful character.

You are quite out to lunch

So and your ilk on this board support the legislated and therefore official suppression of an official language in one of our provinces.

If that were to take place elsewhere you would cry foul. Which makes you and many others here quite two faced.

When it is equal for all in kebec - I will change my tune - until then kebec is a racist province and does not deserve the kid glove treatment it gets.

Their agenda has been forced on many and few have had the balls to stand up and say no.

Certainly those in the north are finding this to be true.

Good for them - I support their plan completely - they are right on the money.

At least when they look in the mirror they see that something needs to be done - and they will do it.

Have to respect that.

Do not try to divert - it makes you look bad

Borg

Edited June 2, 2009 by Borg