Family Services says racists can't raise kids

[Mr.Canada]

The government has no place saying who can and who cannot raise kids. You gay loving types kicked the government out of our bedrooms remember, same thing applies here.

Many people prefer the company of their own race over others that's why so many leave the city for smaller communities, that's fine. Giving your children outlandish names and sending them to school with Nazi regalia and swastikas painted on the little girls arms is disturbing and it speaks to the massive under funding of our various mental health dept.'s around this glorious land.

But telling people what they can and cannot believe is wring and though police-esque(sic).

[M.Dancer]

are you kidding?!!?! the whole "brown town" that everyone else refers to comptentuously?

The "everyone" you refer to must be the jerks in your circle.....

[lily]

The government has no place saying who can and who cannot raise kids. You gay loving types kicked the government out of our bedrooms remember, same thing applies here.

Many people prefer the company of their own race over others that's why so many leave the city for smaller communities, that's fine. Giving your children outlandish names and sending them to school with Nazi regalia and swastikas painted on the little girls arms is disturbing and it speaks to the massive under funding of our various mental health dept.'s around this glorious land.

But telling people what they can and cannot believe is wring and though police-esque(sic).

This gay loving type is glad the government no longer has a place in my bedroom. Aren't you?

This isn't about preferring the company of your own race, narrow-minded as that is. This is about the children living in squalor. THe mom talks about crying and sleeping on her daughter's bed, hugging her stuffies. No mention of her abandoning her daughter for months... or that it took days to clean up the place after the kids were removed.

But no... this is all about the big bad government and thought police telling people what they can and cannot believe.

[Argus]

Then Toronto should be rife with anti-Hindu sentiment . . . But it isn't . . .

There is a certain kind of person who is very liberal and politically correct, and everyone who knows him is well-aware of that. Nobody ever says bad things about minorities in front of him because 1) he only associates with other very liberal people and 2) everyone knows he will start howling, so no one wants to set him off.

So he walks through life blissfully unaware of the subcurrents which exist around him. Everyone loves multiculturalism, of course! Well, everyone He knows does, or at least, mouths the words. Everyone loves people of different races and ethnicities! Well, everyone He knows does, or says they do in front of him.

The occasoinal nasty thing he hears or reads about he blissfully dismisses as coming from the far right evil racist types, because, after all, he almost never encounters that sort of sentiment in his day to day life.

And most Muslims love Jews! After all, they tell him that! To his face anyway.

[Argus]

This gay loving type is glad the government no longer has a place in my bedroom. Aren't you?

This isn't about preferring the company of your own race, narrow-minded as that is. This is about the children living in squalor. THe mom talks about crying and sleeping on her daughter's bed, hugging her stuffies. No mention of her abandoning her daughter for months... or that it took days to clean up the place after the kids were removed.

But no... this is all about the big bad government and thought police telling people what they can and cannot believe.

There are lots of poor people. There are lots of crappy parents. The government doesn't take their kids away except in the most extreme of cases. No, this has nothing to do with lousy parenting and poor housekeeping. This is about the racism of the parents.

[tango]

The government has no place saying who can and who cannot raise kids. You gay loving types kicked the government out of our bedrooms remember, same thing applies here.

No it doesn't. 'Bedrooms' are an adult issue, a euphemism for sex lives. Nobody's business.

This is about kids, where the state does have a responsibility.

People are not moving to small town to "be with their own kind", though some may be staying there out of irrational fear of non-whites.

I once met a man from Alberta (in Toronto) who expressed discomfort in a restaurant filled with people of different races. I said "They're just a bunch of kids!" A few minutes later after looking around carefully, he said "You're right. Maybe I need to rethink my reactions."

[lily]

There are lots of poor people. There are lots of crappy parents. The government doesn't take their kids away except in the most extreme of cases. No, this has nothing to do with lousy parenting and poor housekeeping. This is about the racism of the parents.

Being poor doesn't equate with living in squalor. The racism of the parents is part of why the kids were taken away, but not the whole of it.

Even their grandmother agrees, btw.

[JB Globe]

are you kidding?!!?! the whole "brown town" that everyone else refers to comptentuously?

Everyone? Care to back that up?

[JB Globe]

There is a certain kind of person who is very conservative and politically incorrect, and everyone who knows him is well-aware of that. Nobody ever says bad things about white privilege in front of him because 1) he only associates with other very conservative people and 2) everyone knows he will start howling, so no one wants to set him off.

So he walks through life blissfully unaware of the subcurrents which exist around him. Everyone knows all Muslims are racists and terrorists, of course! Well, everyone He knows does, or at least, mouths the words. Everyone knows black people are criminals, and Asians are robotic drones! Well, everyone He knows does, or says they do in front of him.

The occasoinal nasty thing he hears or reads about he blissfully dismisses as coming from the far left evil multiculti types, because, after all, he almost never encounters that sort of sentiment in his day to day life.

And most white people aren't racist! After all, they tell him that! To his face anyway.

See how easy that was?

So let me get this straight - you're essentially making the claim that you know my reality better than I do. Supposedly because I'm "liberal" and you're "conservative" and thus any of my experiences are invalid, versus yours which are always valid . . . Essentially - you're right because you say you're right. Great, airtight ish right there. Any body who's learned & lived experiences that cause them to arrive at a different worldview from you MUST be naive, because you can't be wrong, because you're you, and you're always right.

But of course, you're really reaching here, because you know nothing about me, it's all unsubstantiated speculation. And nice job at not responding to any of my actual points, let's lay it out for you . . .

1 - Islam has no worse of a history of anti-semitism than Christianity does (as I've discussed with you before)

2 - The main cause of anti-semitism in the Muslim community is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

If you had bothered to ask me about my experiences with Muslims rather than assuming, you might have found out the following:

- Bigotry exists, but rarely are these people with these views hostile, and most of the time they actually listen to what I have to say.

- People are less on-edge once they realize I'm not an ultra-nationalist Zionist

- People actually WANT to discuss controversial things with me, because for some of the older guys, they never get a chance to talk with someone who's Jewish.

- I'm friends with people who hold bigoted views about something or other, I just don't hang out with people whose bigotry is overwhelming.

Now let me ask you something, rather than make assumptions: How is it that someone who holds such negative views about Islam, and is distrustful of Muslims in general, has so much regular contact with Muslims and so many deep discussions with them? After all, you were the guy who said that a Muslim neighbour of yours would have to prove himself to not be an extremist before you would bother socializing with him. I have to admit I find it odd that someone who admits to being prejudiced and antisocial towards a group has so many friends from that group.

[tango]

are you kidding?!!?! the whole "brown town" that everyone else refers to comptentuously?

Only the ones you hang with lictor.

[Argus]

But of course, you're really reaching here, because you know nothing about me, it's all unsubstantiated speculation.

Clearly, but it accounts for your rather surprising beliefs about Muslims.

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1 - Islam has no worse of a history of anti-semitism than Christianity does (as I've discussed with you before)

2 - The main cause of anti-semitism in the Muslim community is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Islam HAD no worse a history prior to the last half century. But it's the last half century that matters, and yes, Israel is at the heart of it, but that's beside the point.

- Bigotry exists, but rarely are these people with these views hostile, and most of the time they actually listen to what I have to say.

Yes, well, they can't stone you to death here. It's against the law.

- People are less on-edge once they realize I'm not an ultra-nationalist Zionist

You mean once you start saying nasty things about Israel they relax?

- People actually WANT to discuss controversial things with me, because for some of the older guys, they never get a chance to talk with someone who's Jewish.

And who agrees with them about how evil Israel is?

Now let me ask you something, rather than make assumptions: How is it that someone who holds such negative views about Islam, and is distrustful of Muslims in general, has so much regular contact with Muslims and so many deep discussions with them?

I"ve already detailed several times that the riding I used to live in had the highest percentage of Muslims in Canada. The Minto building complex where I lived had about 80% Muslims (mostly Lebanese and Somalians), and back when I had shitty jobs I worked with a lot of Muslims - again, mostly Lebanese and Muslims.

After all, you were the guy who said that a Muslim neighbour of yours would have to prove himself to not be an extremist before you would bother socializing with him.

No, I don't believe I was. That doesn't sound like something I would say. How do you prove yourself to not be an extremist anyway?

I have to admit I find it odd that someone who admits to being prejudiced and antisocial towards a group has so many friends from that group.

I don't believe I ever made a claim of friendship with any Muslims.

But then I haven't admitted to being prejudiced or antisocial towards them either.

I'm actually a very affable, sociable person who loves talking politics. That might be why so many people feel comfortable and letting their hair down - as it were - when we talk about things.

[JB Globe]

Clearly, but it accounts for your rather surprising beliefs about Muslims.

It's only surprising to people who don't have friendships with Muslims.

Islam HAD no worse a history prior to the last half century. But it's the last half century that matters, and yes, Israel is at the heart of it, but that's beside the point.

Actually, since Israel-Palestine is at the core of antisemitic views in the Muslim world it IS the point.

You mean once you start saying nasty things about Israel they relax?

Speculation again. But as we've discussed, your views on Israel-Palestine are so hardline, anything but rabid praise of Israel is considered to be anti-Israel in your books. To you it's a cosmic struggle of good vs evil. You just can't wrap your head around why someone would take a pragmatic approach to the conflict. You can't fathom how someone could criticize both Palestinians and Israelis for not being interested in peace. Which is why the thought of someone criticizing Israel to you and then going and criticizing Hamas to a Hamas-supporter is beyond comprehension, so I must be making it up, right?

I"ve already detailed several times that the riding I used to live in had the highest percentage of Muslims in Canada. The Minto building complex where I lived had about 80% Muslims (mostly Lebanese and Somalians), and back when I had shitty jobs I worked with a lot of Muslims - again, mostly Lebanese and Muslims.

But they weren't your friends, now were they?

Arabs are the most antisemitic Muslims for obvious reasons - they're closest and most directly affected by the Israel-Palestinian conflict. It's just like how there's more blatant Islamophobia in Israel than in the Jewish diaspora.

But I digress, I still haven't heard you explain why you know my reality better than I do.

[CANADIEN]

Familiarity breeds contempt. There isn't so much anti-Black racism out west, cause there aren't nearly as many Blacks there. There isn't much ant-Native racism in Ontario because most Ontarions don't encounter natives. You won't find a lot of racism towards Asians in Atlantic Canada, but there's plenty in BC.

And ignorance breeds prejudice.

[CANADIEN]

The government has no place saying who can and who cannot raise kids.

Will keep that one in mind next time some social conservative groups want the government to bar gay couples from adopting children.