Did Harper Learn ANYTHING From The BUSH Years ?

[KingIggy]

Considering what we have for recorded history 70 years isn't all that long. Hitler didn't subscribe to corporatism, his was a planned economy. Nor did he have a pre-emptive war machine, it was an imperialistic war machine. Bush did not persecute a people/ Nor was their a police state created.

How many dead foreign civilians under Bush's foreign policy watch ? Were they white Christians ? The rampaging war machine kills MILLIONS.

Again, who has been the world's leading jailer and torturer over the last 8 years... Sweden ?

Bush doled out 200-300 billion per year in corporate welfare, leading to entities like Blackwater, Halliburton and omnipotent corporations... check out the TRILLIONS pumped into the American Military-Industrial-Complex / WAR MACHINE under Bush-Cheney.

Who commenced the authoritarian civil rights clampdown..... Kucinich ?

Edited June 1, 2009 by KingIggy

[KingIggy]

So did the voters.

While you can brag about losing elections. That's a fair trade.

Your Neo-Con cult lost the big one, and is now impotent.

Permanently.

Check the Polls, Iggy and the Libs are on the rise and poised for a minority gov't.

YOU LOSE X2.

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[KingIggy]

You want to live in Europe...I don't. North America makes a fine bunker.

You want Harper to Deliver Bush policies in Canada.

You are insane.

[KingIggy]

That's right...what are you going to do about it? Move to the USA just like Iggy?

It's about the effects of policies put in place, not about where you or I or Iggy reside.

Can't he live there and oppose Bush economics like most benevolent Americans ?

[Alta4ever]

What Bush and Hitler have in common is a rabid nationalism, demonizing the common foreign threat in order to rampage ahead with unbridled militarism, corporatism and government control over people's lives.

The preemtive war machine, secretive CIA prisons, acceptance of torture, denial of fair trial, violation of civil liberties are all giveaways (for those not blinded by rightwing dogma).

Rightwingers repress all evidence of their policy impact.

you just repeated everything that was refuted and added nothing new.

As you were told before Hilter was imperialistic, he had a planned economy, which is one that is controlled by the government. That by defenistion is not corporatism. So was FDR a facist, he demonized both the germans and the Japanese. How about the british? They have demonzied thier foes. FDR suspended civil liberties set up concentration camps and prison camps. Denied people the right to fair trial, and even had control over people lives, as did Churchill in England. It was called war rationing. Woodrow Wilson, FDR both used rabid nationalism to afvance their causes, or do you not know were the image if uncle sam came from or have you never seen any allies propeganda from the war?

BTW therw is no such thing as a pre-emtive war machine, all militaries can be used in both defensive an offensive roles.

It time you moved beyond moveon.org, and actually read some histry books instead of anti american, and socialist google links.

[KingIggy]

Nope...we celebrate it. No balls.....no blue chips.

So you are showing yourself to be a PROUD Fascist, AND NOT COINCIDENTALLY, a HARPER SUPPORTER.

Machismo, Bull-headed dogmatic beliefs, blind-faith militarism, aggression at all costs and dismissal of ALL negative effects of said policies.

That's the only way Neo-Cons can exist - through BLIND repression of reality, and ZERO empathy.

[Alta4ever]

It's about the effects of policies put in place, not about where you or I or Iggy reside.

How can someone who doesn't reside or has spent an entire life time away from a place region, or country, understand the effects of policies put in place, polices that could be put in place, their potential effect, or what society wants. When they don't have the experience of living in and interacting with that society over a significant period of time?

[KingIggy]

you just repeated everything that was refuted and added nothing new.

As you were told before Hilter was imperialistic, he had a planned economy, which is one that is controlled by the government. That by defenistion is not corporatism. So was FDR a facist, he demonized both the germans and the Japanese. How about the british? They have demonzied thier foes. FDR suspended civil liberties set up concentration camps and prison camps. Denied people the right to fair trial, and even had control over people lives, as did Churchill in England. It was called war rationing. Woodrow Wilson, FDR both used rabid nationalism to afvance their causes, or do you not know were the image if uncle sam came from or have you never seen any allies propeganda from the war?

BTW therw is no such thing as a pre-emtive war machine, all militaries can be used in both defensive an offensive roles.

It time you moved beyond moveon.org, and actually read some histry books instead of anti american, and socialist google links.

It's time you stopped seeing all those to the political left of you as Commies. But that's your rightwing dogma-shackling.

You wanted Alberta to be the 51st state under McCain.

If you don't view Neo-Con Bush as imperialistic, you are blind. He doled out 200-300 billion dollars per year in corporate welfare. Now, add to that ALL American military / police state expenditures.

The degree to which you support a gigantic, omnipotent, preemptive military/police state and the degree to which you support gigantic, omnipotent corporations is the degree to which you advocate MODERN, CONTEMPORARY Fascism.

If you support the USA stuffing it's prisons with drug users, leading to the worlds highest incarceration rate, you are a Fascist. If you want the gov't to BAN nudity and swearing on TV, weed, abortion and gay marriage, you are a FASCIST.

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[KingIggy]

How can someone who doesn't reside or has spent an entire life time away from a place region, or country, understand the effects of policies put in place, polices that could be put in place, their potential effect, or what society wants. When they don't have the experience of living in and interacting with that society over a significant period of time?

And if Harper had resided in the USA for that length of time you'd not vote for him ?

[Alta4ever]

How many dead foreign civilians under Bush's foreign policy watch ? Were they white Christians ? The rampaging war machine kills MILLIONS.

Bush doled out 200-300 billion per year in corporate welfare, leading to entities like Blackwater, Halliburton and omnipotent corporations... check out the TRILLIONS pumped into the American Military-Industrial-Complex / WAR MACHINE under Bush-Cheney.

Who commenced the authoritarian civil rights clampdown..... Kucinich ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War As of aug 2007 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. Were are these millions. I wonder what would happen if we calculated the cost of vietnam in todays dollars, but before we do that the casualties of Vietnam are arount the 2 million mark. A Democrat led war.

Haliburton was founded in 1919, and Blackwater in 1997. They received corporate welfar, be before bush entered the presidential office.

[Alta4ever]

And if Harper had resided in the USA for that length of time you'd not vote for him ?

Nope, then again the Conservative party would have had a proper leadership race.

[KingIggy]

Nope, then again the Conservative party would have had a proper leadership race.

The only reason you are anti-Iggy is because he threatens your Neo-Con power base.

[KingIggy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War As of aug 2007 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict. Were are these millions. I wonder what would happen if we calculated the cost of vietnam in todays dollars, but before we do that the casualties of Vietnam are arount the 2 million mark. A Democrat led war.

Haliburton was founded in 1919, and Blackwater in 1997. They received corporate welfar, be before bush entered the presidential office.

So Non-Fascist Bush stopped funding them ?

Again, Bush gave out over 1 trillion in corporate welfare while in office and pumped trillions into the military/police state.

At a certain point, you have to stop spending trillions on nation building/destroying. Stop being a FASCIST.

Vietnam, Chile, Central America, the Middle East and millions of dead bodies say so...

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[Alta4ever]

It's time you stopped seeing all those to the political left of you as Commies. But that's your rightwing dogma-shackling.

You wanted Alberta to be the 51st state under McCain.

Did I do you have proof?

If you don't view Neo-Con Bush as imperialistic, you are blind. He doled out 200-300 billion dollars per year in corporate welfare. Now, add to that ALL American military / police state expenditures.

So you think that the last eight years of government in the US was the only eight years of corporate welfare?

The degree to which you support a gigantic, omnipotent, preemptive military/police state and the degree to which you support gigantic, omnipotent corporations is the degree to which you advocate MODERN, CONTEMPORARY Fascism.

If you support the USA stuffing it's prisons with drug users, leading to the worlds highest incarceration rate, you are a Fascist. If you want the gov't to control the womb, nudity and swearing on TV, abortion and gay marriage, you are a FASCIST.

Didn't know I had spoken out in support of all these corpprations. I was just highliting all your errors. Doesn't mean I support them, onfact I won't even wotk for them. I buy at the local stores and support my local economy.

If you think that what is bolded is what makes a person a facist you are wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[Alta4ever]

Stop being a FASCIST.

Stop appling labels you don't understand.

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[KingIggy]

Just add up the trillions spent on corporatism, preemptive miltarism, denial of civil liberties, mass imprisonment, rabid nationalism, fear tactics, torture, surveillance and you see why Bush-Cheney policies = Fascism.

Like all Fascist manifestations, their's COLLAPSED, due to internal unsustainability.

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[KingIggy]

You lose, Neo-Cons..... you LOSE.

[Alta4ever]

The only reason you are anti-Iggy is because he threatens your Neo-Con power base.

Right.....he threatens the the 33-35% of the population that are base supporters of the conservative party. You do realize that this core base of center right voters has existed since the ninties right?. He does not threaten the power base of the party. He may win a slight minority but has not the reion support for more then that. By the way I am not a neo con I am a centre right canadian.

[Alta4ever]

Just add up the trillions spent on corporatism, preemptive miltarism, denial of civil liberties, mass imprisonment, rabid nationalism fear tactics, toture, surveillance and you see why Bush-Cheney policies = Fascism.

Like all Fascist manifestations, their's COLLAPSED, due to internal unsustainability.

You have failed to put together any arguement, everything you have posted has been refuted, you have offered nothing of a debate.

[KingIggy]

Right.....he threatens the the 33-35% of the population that are base supporters of the conservative party. You do realize that this core base of center right voters has existed since the ninties right?. He does not threaten the power base of the party. He may win a slight minority but has not the reion support for more then that. By the way I am not a neo con I am a centre right canadian.

You are in denial.

I'm watching 10 Republican-Style, Anti-Iggy ads per day funded by the threatened Neo-Conservative Harperites. They started 2 weeks ago.

You and them aren't scared ?

Drop your denials...

BTW, if you are center-right, you'll join with Joe Clark and vote MODERATE/LIBERAL.

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[KingIggy]

You have failed to put together any arguement, everything you have posted has been refuted, you have offered nothing of a debate.

You have failed to identify the pillars of Fascism and it's modern manifestations : Nationalism, Fear, Rallying around a Common Foreign Threat, Rampant Militarism, Rampant Corporatism, supression of civil liberties, growth in the domestic police state, employment of torture, mass incarceration, etc.

You have also ignored the policy pattern similarity of Bush & Harper...

1) Careless tax cuts (DECREASED REVENUE)

2) Increased military funding

3) Increased war on drugs funding

4) Increased debt

5) Republican style attack ads

[KingIggy]

You lose, Neo-Cons..... you LOSE.

All those to the political left of the Neo-Conservatives WIN.

(95% of humanity wins).

[KingIggy]

" "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada."

Coup ?

What a stupid, Fascist idea put forth by Fascist Harperites... the notion that the 1-party state reigns supreme and coalitions are to be supressed. The vast majority of voters voted AGAINST Neo-Con HARPER, and THEY get to form a coalition if they see the country in peril at the hands of an extremist (ultra-rightwing neo-con).

http://votestrategic.ca/ownwords.htm

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[Alta4ever]

You are in denial.

I'm watching 10 Republican-Style, Anti-Iggy ads per day funded by the threatened Neo-Conservative Harperites. They started 2 weeks ago.

You and them aren't scared ?

Drop your denials...

BTW, if you are center-right, you'll join with Joe Clark and vote MODERATE/LIBERAL.

You are lying their are only 4 ads running on television not ten.

I seem to recall that liberals have engaged in putting out ads to define their oppoents infact it is something that has been done in canada since the very first election.

Joe clark never was or is centre right.

[Alta4ever]

You have failed to identify the pillars of Fascism and it's modern manifestations : Nationalism, Fear, Rallying around a Common Foreign Threat, Rampant Militarism, Rampant Corporatism, supression of civil liberties, growth in the domestic police state, employment of torture, mass incarceration, etc.

You still seem to be mistaken here read it again, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism