George Galloway

[Rue]

I don't agree with his methods but his message is not entirely wrong. Why is a terrorist called a terrorist when he kills a few thousand people, but a peaceful nation when they kill hundreds of thousands?

Is the above a riddle? It is illogical. A terrorist is defined as such because they believe committing crimes of violence against civilians is a legitimate method to express political will.

In regards to a nation that is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands, logic would dictate to you the fact it killed hundreds of thousands would mean it did not engage in a peaceful exercise.

I think what you are confusing or manifesting is your own lack of understanding of the difference between those acts considered legal under international doctrines and conventions of war with war crimes (acts of war that fall outside such doctrines or conventions).

A conventional army can be guilty of war crimes if it does not follow conventional rules of engagement as envisioned in such treaties and doctrines.

Terrorist groups are not conventional armies. By their nature their are civilian militias orvigilante groups-they are nothing more then a group of armed individuals with the same political opinion. When they commit crimes they do so on behalf of themselves not a state.

Although you may feel Hamas was democratically elected, it is not a sovereign state government nor is its military and intelligence wings conventional military armies representing and defending a sovereign state.

It is a series of self-appointed vigilantes who engage in terror.

Even if civilians support what it does, it does not make what it does non terrorist just as it would be the case that if a conventional army acts outside the appropriate conventions or treaties, the fact that it may do so with the approval of its citizens or government does not exempt it from those doctrines or treaties.

Perhaps instead of asking you should read up on the topic.

You might want to start by trying to understand why Hamas will not sign any international treaties, is considered an illegal terrorist entity by Canada, the U.S., Britain, etc., and why its engaging in violence is not legitamized because it feels it has the right to express its political views this way because the Arab League of Nations failed in several wars to dismantle the state of Israel.

It isn't rocket science but I can tell you this-no one person's terror is not justified because you think the political cause behind it is acceptable to you. It is a tad more complex then that.

[Rue]

Someone has to have the courage to speak out against the insanity of war.

Again you might want to read what he actually writes and says. He in fact supports the insanity of terror and war provided the group engaging in war or insanity does so in support of the political views he believes are right.

This man never once denounced what Hamas or Hezbollah does. He cheers it on. He also cheers on the Syrian and Iranian regimes which as I stated previously make a point of jailing and torturing thousands of individuals they suspect of being trade unionists-something he selectively ignores considering he also claims to be a socialist.

[Rue]

Galloway is not the only one to make absurd statements.

You sound like my wife. Do you know her?

[Oleg Bach]

You sound like my wife. Do you know her?

[Rue]

what is nonsense? That blacks had to adapt to DIFFERENT conditions, different ways of adapting to their environment and that this made them DIFFERENT genetically?

Are you cynical enough to claim that black skin and kinky hair is a product of racism and poverty and not of millenias of adaptation to the sun?

Talk about nonsense..

Walk away from this one. If you knew anything abotu genetics you would know black skin and kinky hair are not racial markers and in fact people with white skin and narrow noses and straight hair share the exact same corelation in dna connection to other simeons as blacks. The fact you do not understand that means you need to go find out why. You are stating things based on racist stereotypes. Go find out why. Blacks are no more genetically different to you then another black person or chimpanzee or ape. Go find out why.

There is a lot more to genetics then your subjective assumptions as to hair texture or the amount of melanin one may have in their skin.

[Rue]

ROFL.... sheer nonsense!

unfortunately fully none of the sub saharan "black" tribes in africa mastered hat weaving hence... their brain did not INVENT the hat.

"Nature has selected for people with darker skin in tropical latitudes, especially in nonforested regions, where ultraviolet radiation to hear the preceding term pronounced radiation from the sun is usually the most intense. Melanin acts as a protective biological shield against ultraviolet radiation. By doing this, it helps to prevent sunburn damage that could result in DNA changes and, subsequently, melanoma --a cancer of the skin. Melanoma is a serious threat to life. In the United States, approximately 54,000 people get this aggressive type of cancer every year and nearly 8,000 of them die from it. Those at highest risk are European Americans. They have a 10 times higher risk than African Americans." (http://anthro.palomar.edu/adapt/adapt_4.htm)

skin tone is certainly not a RANDOM mutation, but a trait developed through rigorous natural selection to cope with specific environments.

Anyone who denies this is simply playing dunderhead.

With due respect what you quote has nothing to do with the genetic contentions you have made. You are mixing two different topics. Try find out why. We all can't spoon feed you. Here is a hint-increased melanin in skin does not change the genetic markers between humans or between humans and simeons. Better be careful who you call a dunderhead. All you are doing is manifesting your ignorance as to the topic you claim to understand by mixing two completely different concepts that have nothing to do with one another.

On that note I defer to my more learned colleagues on the topic. As for me, I have no problem being closely related to many apes in my family tree. I have learned to live with it. I do wear clothes though and I don't like bananas or eating tics or fleas.

[Oleg Bach]

With due respect what you quote has nothing to do with the genetic contentions you have made. You are mixing two different topics. Try find out why. We all can't spoon feed you. Here is a hint-increased melanin in skin does not change the genetic markers between humans or between humans and simeons. Better be careful who you call a dunderhead. All you are doing is manifesting your ignorance as to the topic you claim to understand by mixing two completely different concepts that have nothing to do with one another.

On that note I defer to my more learned colleagues on the topic. As for me, I have no problem being closely related to many apes in my family tree. I have learned to live with it. I do wear clothes though and I don't like bananas or eating tics or fleas.

All of my relatives are life forms - millions of them on earth - and we all share the same common theme - that we are alive..but I am not an ant - nor is an ant me - nor am I an ape - nor the ape is me...all things alive are the same..but all things are atonomous and individual..That's the problem with pushy evolutionists and creationist - they want to form collectives where we are all ONE - to hell with that - I am ONE - and you are something else - I have the choice to be part of the collective or to stand like a man - and indivdual - so I stand alone...and the apes stands ---well - not really stands - stops and eats the ticks off his fellows head.

[Rue]

Canada is a pathetic toady country.

The JDL is blocking free speech of Canadians

They have no right to dictate policy for the rest of Canada.

Galloway belongs in Canada giving speeches to those who want to hear them!!!!

Don't be silly. You are your own worst enemy when you make ridiculous comments like the above. The JDL had nothing to do with the decision.

The JDL is a fringe lunatic group with less then 50 members in Canada. It is considered an illegal terrorist group in Israel and is rejected by all Jewish organizations in Canada including the Canadian Jewish Congress and B'Nai B'rith and the Anti-defamation League defines it as a racist, terrorist organization.

In fact the JDL preaches exactly what Galloway does only in reverse and you are well aware of that.

The comment you made above no doubt was meant to be sarcastic but it only contradicts the very point you think you made. Israel and Jews worldwide do not condone or welcome or invite the JDL to its community centres and synagogues and use it to fund raise money that it sheeps to terrorist cells. In fact JDL members will be deported from Israel if they show up their and extremist groups on the West Bank linked to it have had their leaders and members jailed and the press and public will openly denounce such views.

I know you want to counter what Galloway does with some lame response that Jews or Israelis do it too, but the fact is even if they did it does not excuse what Galloway does and more importantly, the vast majority of we Jews like the vast majority of Muslims are sick and tired of terrorists and extremists using our conflicts and problems for their own political exploitation.

Some of us Muslims and Jews are sick and tired and want to be left alone to get along Kuzadd and yes that means those of us who support both Israel as a state and the right of Palestinians to have a state. We do exist.

We may not make speeches and scream and yell but we exist.

[capricorn]

My point remains, just who internationally, is upset that Galloway, a recognized cretin, isn't allowed into Canada?

I haven't heard any protest coming from the British Parliament that one of their own was banned from entering Canada.

[lictor616]

I mildly suppose that perhaps if this bunch of extremists had embraced rather than rejected the teachings of their greatest rabboni and long lost King of Judea - the old rightful heir to the royal lands ....you know Jesus the annointed one Christ...just maybe they could get humanized and get along - but exceptance of the original form of the Christian movement would simply be bad for buisness - after all - imagine being fair and providing a fair playing field for all concerned? I guess that just would not do for the overly entitled and falsely privledged.

the anointed one?

We should bluntly denounce that Christianity in all its diverse cults is a spiritual syphilis that has now reached the tertiary stage, paresis and insanity. Like the african disease kuru: it seems to rot the brain of its victims.

But Christianity is after all Jewish.

And looking at another product of the tribe, the Jewish scribbler named Mordecai Levy (alias: Karl Marx) with his "das kapital" and its conspicuously IDENTICAL proposition to the bible: who teaches its readers that "all men are created equal" and that " the first shall be last" and all of the basic denials of realities that are based in racifimentos of the Jewish cult of Christianity, we can see the trends and who are behind them- pretty soon it will be illegal to say nything that displeases God's own Sublime Hebrews, and if we look at the stupendous grip that this political censorship has on our hapless country, and the contempt that the JDL has for profane goyim, we can perhaps at alst see the animus behind it.

I am reminded of the ravings of Isaiah, especially 49.22-23: "Thus sayeth the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up my hand to [i.e., against] the Gentiles, and set up my standard [as a sign of conquest] to the people; and they [as slave nurses] shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. / And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet."

But, despite every effort that may be made to disclose historical facts, the Goy suckers who are the victims of organized crime will doubtless continue to relish the swill that their owners dump in their laps. They have been taught to love those who wish them harm.

We can already assume that Canadians who are now under five and go through the idiot hatcheries which for some reason are still called "schools", will surely grow up to be imbecile creatures, so well trained that whenever they see Jews, they will automatically drop to their knees and knock their foreheads three times on the pavement in veneration of their living gods.

[Oleg Bach]

the anointed one?

We should bluntly denounce that Christianity in all its diverse cults is a spiritual syphilis that has now reached the tertiary stage, paresis and insanity. Like the african disease kuru: it seems to rot the brain of its victims.

But Christianity is after all Jewish.

And looking at another product of the tribe, the Jewish scribbler named Mordecai Levy (alias: Karl Marx) with his "das kapital" and its conspicuously IDENTICAL proposition to the bible: who teaches its readers that "all men are created equal" and that " the first shall be last" and all of the basic denials of realities that are based in racifimentos of the Jewish cult of Christianity, we can see the trends and who are behind them- pretty soon it will be illegal to say nything that displeases God's own Sublime Hebrews, and if we look at the stupendous grip that this political censorship has on our hapless country, and the contempt that the JDL has for profane goyim, we can perhaps at alst see the animus behind it.

I am reminded of the ravings of Isaiah, especially 49.22-23: "Thus sayeth the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up my hand to [i.e., against] the Gentiles, and set up my standard [as a sign of conquest] to the people; and they [as slave nurses] shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. / And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet."

But, despite every effort that may be made to disclose historical facts, the Goy suckers who are the victims of organized crime will doubtless continue to relish the swill that their owners dump in their laps. They have been taught to love those who wish them harm.

We can already assume that Canadians who are now under five and go through the idiot hatcheries which for some reason are still called "schools", will surely grow up to be imbecile creatures, so well trained that whenever they see Jews, they will automatically drop to their knees and knock their foreheads three times on the pavement in veneration of their living gods.

Broke out in laughter immediately - with the first line...now I suppose I will have to read your dribble..give me a minute.

As I said before - don't bother educating me..trust me - I have full understanding of these historical and current happenings --- Was I astounded when I watched the faces of the American congress blanch out in thrawlish glee when Greenspan entered the room? Yes it was embarassing - but people who are materialist worship the material - You must remember that these people who we both know are racists --- know one thing about so-called gentiles - that they are base and materialist also...You critizise me because I may have taken a few passages out of the NT..and applied some of these doctrines...I have no respect for OT - nor most of the NT - so get that straight - I am not typical - my grand father was an exile during the late 1800s...could have been an ancient Muslim - Christian or even a Jew - This exile was into the depths of Siberia near the Mongolian boarder - we looked at Christianity pragmatically - and as a revolutionary movement - although -

My earliest memory as a child was my father kneeling in my loft bed room as I watched from the stair case - he took a 400 year old icon of Christ and smashed it on his knee - He looked at all religion as a betrayal and a torment on him - he served all sides - and he survived...You should go easy on the son of an Iconoclast!

[lictor616]

With due respect what you quote has nothing to do with the genetic contentions you have made. You are mixing two different topics. Try find out why. We all can't spoon feed you. Here is a hint-increased melanin in skin does not change the genetic markers between humans or between humans and simeons. Better be careful who you call a dunderhead. All you are doing is manifesting your ignorance as to the topic you claim to understand by mixing two completely different concepts that have nothing to do with one another.

On that note I defer to my more learned colleagues on the topic. As for me, I have no problem being closely related to many apes in my family tree. I have learned to live with it. I do wear clothes though and I don't like bananas or eating tics or fleas.

Yes, skin is intricately linked with genes...

the SLC24A5 gene for instance variant plays a sizable role in human skin pigmentation. So yes skin pigment is very genetic.

the link I provided explains at least 3 genetic markers explaining one's pigment.

and I suggest that you take a look at the 36-tone chromatic scale devised by Austrian anthropologist Felix von Luschan to assess the unexposed skin of human populations.

[Oleg Bach]

Yes, skin is intricately linked with genes...

the SLC24A5 gene for instance variant plays a sizable role in human skin pigmentation. So yes skin pigment is very genetic.

the link I provided explains at least 3 genetic markers explaining one's pigment.

and I suggest that you take a look at the 36-tone chromatic scale devised by Austrian anthropologist Felix von Luschan to assess the unexposed skin of human populations.

What's the point here? Are the 36 tones on the chromatic scale valuable? Which tone is most valuable and which human shething is the cheapest - and can I make a lamp shade from the nicer tones --- buy the way there Lector --- do you have any nice tattoos on your back...I love other peoples art work - in fact I am a collector.. What motivates you Lector? Tell me - what drives a man like you on?

[lictor616]

What's the point here? Are the 36 tones on the chromatic scale valuable? Which tone is most valuable and which human shething is the cheapest - and can I make a lamp shade from the nicer tones --- buy the way there Lector --- do you have any nice tattoos on your back...I love other peoples art work - in fact I am a collector.. What motivates you Lector? Tell me - what drives a man like you on?

having a sane, stable, viable, beautiful and productive society once again. what else?

[lictor616]

What's the point here?

my reply was to aposter who affirmed that skin tone had no basis in genetics and had no identifiable markers...

I corrected his error.

that's what the point was.

[Oleg Bach]

Holy crap! ---- oh know - another one of me! Son is that you? Welcome home and sorry that I did not send you the money..Yah Lector - Been around long enough to have noticed that we have decended into a gray utlitiatian hell - It was so incrimental that young people do not know what once was....sane society? Yes there was a time when there was justice to some degree - and I really enjoyed that damning statement by Henry Morgantaler "Unwanted children become concentration camp guards" - talk about a geocide and pre-emptive dellusional strike against what was...and now we bring in the worst from all over the world because our woman and men were duped into committing racial suicide..

[guyser]

having a sane, stable, viable, beautiful and productive society once again. what else?

Of course none of that could be achieved with your idea of killing Downs and FAS children, since "sane" and "productive" would be lost.

[lictor616]

Holy crap! ---- oh know - another one of me! Son is that you? Welcome home and sorry that I did not send you the money..Yah Lector - Been around long enough to have noticed that we have decended into a gray utlitiatian hell - It was so incrimental that young people do not know what once was....sane society? Yes there was a time when there was justice to some degree - and I really enjoyed that damning statement by Henry Morgantaler "Unwanted children become concentration camp guards" - talk about a geocide and pre-emptive dellusional strike against what was...and now we bring in the worst from all over the world because our woman and men were duped into committing racial suicide..

which concentration camps were these? The Soviet Gulag- The Gaza Strip the West bank?

And we abortion was and still is a sane act.

It is also obvious that a sane society will act to check, by every means within its power, the fearsome and potentially catastrophic pullulation of its misfits and dregs. WE must refrain from the folly of preserving the diseased and degenerate.

What I've been trying to say is that "Euro Candians" must decide, and decide promptly, whether their people and ethnicity is worth perpetuating to sustain the great civilization that their not so remote ancestors (Europeans) created. Western Civilization.

If they decide that "white canadians" should be stamped out to make way for a happy land of hypermongrelized "multiraces" and a hybridized and crazed "multiculture" of incompatible mores, as the Jews of B'nai B'rith and JDL as well as the NDP and Liberal parties intend, they should, in the name of human decency as understood by our people, totally refrain from bringing children into the world to suffer what they must in the coming catastrophe.

Meanwhile, "third worlders" are unlikely to consider limiting their offspring, even if they do not have a perhaps subconscious determination to take the lands of North America from the Canadian weaklings, whom they despise for their stupidity in admitting aliens.

All this, to be sure, is "racism," which, as we all have been told, is the damnable wickedness that doubts the self-evident fact that white Canadians are a species of stupid cattle, created by Yahweh to nourish all of the world's anthropoid vermin.

[lictor616]

Of course none of that could be achieved with your idea of killing Downs and FAS children, since "sane" and "productive" would be lost.

ahaahahah!

I suppose if we let the population carry 5 million people with Downs and FAS... we'll be much smarter and saner on the average...

are you even trying anymore ?

[lictor616]

Of course none of that could be achieved with your idea of killing Downs and FAS children, since "sane" and "productive" would be lost.

I suppose people with downs can supply us with the indispensable work of recycling plant "sorters"... see

maybe that can be productive?

although I admit that is being streamlined and increasingly mechanized...

and as FAS children become grown and hardened sociopaths, and rape, slug and murder... this will help the economy by the dramatic increase in police demands to pamper the dear little cuties. That will create jobs in police, and mental institutions (paid for of course by yours truly the stupid bovine taxpaying serfs of the United Socialist Satellite of Canadia...

is that your vision of a saner world?

Edited March 25, 2009 by lictor616

[Oleg Bach]

ahaahahah!

I suppose if we let the population carry 5 million people with Downs and FAS... we'll be much smarter and saner on the average...

are you even trying anymore ?

If we got rid of all the "retarded" people - ...sorry - special people - and all that was left were people that were very clever and cunning like Lector, then eventually all the Lectors in the world would start sizing each other up and looking for imperfections and weakness..eventually the brilliant people would get rid of the semi-brilliant people...then the super brilliant people would get rid of the common brilliant people...EVENTUALLY - We would have one last person standing claiming to own an empty planet - reminds me of Paraidise Lost...to be king of a pile nothing. I don't believe that the herd should be culled - but it should be structured in a manner where idiot savants should be put into the same room as Lector and let them duel it out to see who gets to be Satan --- with a pension of course!

[guyser]

I suppose if we let the population carry 5 million people with Downs and FAS... we'll be much smarter and saner on the average...

I see you like to move the goalposts .

Perhaps you could show me in your quote (following) where you stated "smarter" ?

lic

having a sane, stable, viable, beautiful and productive society once again.

I cant see it.

[Oleg Bach]

I see you like to move the goalposts .

Perhaps you could show me in your quote (following) where you stated "smarter" ?

I cant see it.

Enjoy - and I like the way you use your sail to take the wind out of his - or is he oaring?

[Argus]

Holy crap! ---- oh know - another one of me!

You wrote it, Oleg. The rest of us just thought it.

[M.Dancer]

unfortunately fully none of the sub saharan "black" tribes in africa mastered hat weaving hence... their brain did not INVENT the hat.

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