cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 In the USA they have a flag at the front of every classroom, they state the pledge of elegance every day and have actual pride in their country. Canada however can't seem to get any pride into a day heck we teach 'American history in school, the USA couldn't give a rats tail about Canadian history so why do we bother?....PatheticThe United States also requires cultural assimilation of its citizens and has been involved in an imperialistic march throughout the world to open up markets to its "culture". How far do you go with this constructed nationalism until it becomes imperialism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Do you not care about your country, should we not show appreciation to our country or veterans, our history and culture? And singing Oh Canada does that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Those that support the playing of the national anthem every day in grade schools, let me ask you a question. Would you support a law requiring all offices and manufacturers to require their employees to stand for the national anthem at the beginning of each shift? I would. At the start of every day in every place. The anthem is a representation of everything that this country stands for, and I feel truly blessed and honoured to have an opportunity to be a part of this great federation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 And singing Oh Canada does that? Its is a symbol of it, how do you show your appreciation. Apparently the country means nothing to you its just something to be milked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 In the USA they have a flag at the front of every classroom, they state the pledge of elegance every day and have actual pride in their country. Canada however can't seem to get any pride into a day heck we teach 'American history in school, the USA couldn't give a rats tail about Canadian history so why do we bother?....Pathetic So what in the US Flag dipping is illegal too. Why do we want to be them? I could either way on this arguement but comparing Canada to another country is asinine we are Canada if you want to live in the States go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Firstly, "O Canada" is a song. It does not follow that someone doesn't care about their country, the veterans, or our history and culture because they do not care for the song being sung everyday in school. Secondly, what is our "culture" here in Canada? I'll tell you what our culture is; it's that we have no culture. The national anthem is a symbol used to promote nationalist pride, in an attempt to create a single national identity that transcends cultural boundaries. Finally, our veterans and history did not officially have the national anthem as their anthem. "God Save the Queen" was our national anthem officially until 1980. Does it mean that no one cares about our history or "culture" (which is a figment of your imagination if you think there is a single national culture that is not constructed) if they do not sing that anthem? I get it, you are an anarchist. In a world were we are continually being driven apart, in a country were regional politics divid us, culters and traditions divide us, we have just one thing that bring us together, and celbrates what this nation is, was and can become. But apparently you are tooo good for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I would. At the start of every day in every place. The anthem is a representation of everything that this country stands for, and I feel truly blessed and honoured to have an opportunity to be a part of this great federation. It doesn't represnt me, and I don't even get the point of most of the lines. Man, I hate nationalism. Such a fabricated and disgusting and alienating disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 It doesn't represnt me Well that makes me feel even better about it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I get it, you are an anarchist. In a world were we are continually being driven apart, in a country were regional politics divid us, culters and traditions divide us, we have just one thing that bring us together, and celbrates what this nation is, was and can become. But apparently you are tooo good for this. You feel the need to label everything? And make everything black and white don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I get it, you are an anarchist. In a world were we are continually being driven apart, in a country were regional politics divid us, culters and traditions divide us, we have just one thing that bring us together, and celbrates what this nation is, was and can become. But apparently you are tooo good for this. Binding people to such frivolous notions is unsustainable. There is a very good reason why the welfare state collapsed, and why post welfare state, the neoliberal, collapsed as well. Or for this superficial idea of pride in a fake nation from ocean to ocean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Well that makes me feel even better about it then. What? How? Must be that alienating part I mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I would. At the start of every day in every place. The anthem is a representation of everything that this country stands for, and I feel truly blessed and honoured to have an opportunity to be a part of this great federation.That doesn't seem the least bit Orwellian to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Apparently the country means nothing to you its just something to be milked.Would you stop doing that already. Disagreeing with the playing of the national anthem at the beginning of every school day is not to say that the country means nothing. In fact, the poster is not even necessarily taking exception to the anthem itself, nor is he/she taking exception to it being played in school. The only thing that has been argued against is playing it in school every single day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 That doesn't seem the least bit Orwellian to you? Orwellian is always the word that comes to my mind when I see smallc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I get it, you are an anarchist. In a world were we are continually being driven apart, in a country were regional politics divid us, culters and traditions divide us, we have just one thing that bring us together, and celbrates what this nation is, was and can become. But apparently you are tooo good for this.Based on my post, how did you come to the following conclusions:[1] I am an anarchist. [2] I believe the country should be divided. Not only did I hold back from giving my opinion, but we're talking about the national anthem being played everyday in school. How does it follow that a person who takes exception to that is an anarchist and believes in dividing the country? If the nation building efforts are artificial to begin with, how can they ever be successful at creating national unity? Furthermore, if this country is so united by such nation building efforts, then why are we still dealing with secessionists and native rights? Do you believe it's possible to achieve a single homogeneous national identity? And in doing so, do you think it's ethical to subjugate cultural identity for national unity? There are much bigger questions here to be considered than the over-simplistic, "shut up and take two minutes to respect history". Do you even know, or more accurately understand, the history of "O Canada"? If playing that song everyday in school is the glue keeping this country together, then I hope there is a God to help us because we're screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) I just read through Millet's quite detailed candidate's profile for the 2008 election, and interestingly there is absolutely no mention of his marital status... Edited January 29, 2009 by Ontario Loyalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 That doesn't seem the least bit Orwellian to you? Ummm, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I just read through Millet's quite detailed candidate's profile for the 2008 election, and interestingly there is absolutely no mention of his marital status... You are looking for love in all the wrong places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontario Loyalist Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 You are looking for love in all the wrong places. Yes, I may be running out of options, but trolling Green Party candidate profiles is still beneath me. I voted for them in the last election, too, but never again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 In the USA they have a flag at the front of every classroom, Not so sure about that, but anyhow, good for them. We have a flag flying outside of every school.Good enough for me. If we have to put a flag in front of kids daily to remind them what it looks like, we are screwed. they state the pledge of elegance every day and have actual pride in their country. So, they say the Pledge of Socialism in the US, I imagine you didnt want to say 'elegance' , unless they cite that one 'should never wear white after labour day, dont mix your plaids,and there are 3 forks set for a proper dinner setting'. The pledge of allegiance was penned by a socialist, and they changed it in the 50's IIRC to include "god" . Why they do that is beyond me. I have always thought is was false pride. Canada however can't seem to get any pride into a day heck we teach 'American history in school, the USA couldn't give a rats tail about Canadian history so why do we bother?....Pathetic This is altogether something different. Do we need more taught about Canadian history? Yes I think so. But I do not agree that this countries people do not have pride about it. If anything there is more pride shown about this country than there ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 It was the only 2 minutes that I stood in one spot. Get head up off desk, open eyes, stand for anthem, go back to desk, put head down, close eyes. I used to hold the Union Jack .... uh oh... too far back. So did I, we all took turns but then I went to a one-room school and we also sang "The Maple-Leaf Forever". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roof_top_eagle Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 So what in the US Flag dipping is illegal too. Why do we want to be them? I could either way on this arguement but comparing Canada to another country is asinine we are Canada if you want to live in the States go for it. You clearly don' get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Two more minutes to learn. Good.I have never understood the importance of singing it everyday. Never understood the reason why sporting events must have it sung. No surprise there. To you, Canada is nothing more than a strip of geography. Everyone from anywhere is welcome, and all are equal, no matter where they came from. Nothing whatsoever special about being born and raised here. Nothing special about any of our institutions and nothing worth noting about our shared history. You'd be just as comfortable anywhere else on Earth, and couldn't possibly care less, so long as you get your ethnic restaurants and can feel all mooshy about how liberal and unbiased you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 You clearly don' get it I think I will quote Truman on this one. "I don’t give a damn about “The Missouri Waltz” but I can’t say it out loud because it’s the song of Missouri. It’s as bad as “The Star-Spangled Banner” so far as music is concerned. " He must have been a real country hater saying that right? You don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterDC Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 No surprise there. To you, Canada is nothing more than a strip of geography. Everyone from anywhere is welcome, and all are equal, no matter where they came from. Nothing whatsoever special about being born and raised here. Nothing special about any of our institutions and nothing worth noting about our shared history. You'd be just as comfortable anywhere else on Earth, and couldn't possibly care less, so long as you get your ethnic restaurants and can feel all mooshy about how liberal and unbiased you are. Canada is totally more than a strip of geography.. But yes, everyone from anywhere is welcome here, and everyone is equal. It doesn't matter where you came from. As long as you are willing to respect our country and our laws. Canadian pride is not merely based on the fact that you were just born here, but if you believe in our institutions, laws and are proud of our history and heritage. Do you have a problem with ethnic groups and their restaurants? How come people from around the world are not welcome in Canada? People are not comfortable anywhere else in the world , that is why they choose to move to the greatest country on Earth. If you think that only those who were born in Canada are able to appreciate Canada, then you could elicit the same joy out of any country; as long as you were born there.. Of course, we cannot choose where you were born, why would you be so proud of it? Instead, use your own conscientious thought and decide which country is the best for you. Yes... Everyone is equal.. How could you say otherwise ? I must've misunderstood you and I am sorry if I have.. Otherwise, I suppose philosophical thought has retrograded about 200 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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