Religious Right in Canada

madmax · December 23, 2008

What a load of horse manure. How about Paul Martin, a devout Roman Catholic, or Chretien, a devout Roman Catholic etc. etc. why not describe other leaders in the same manner. Harper has never played any religious cards, he never discusses his religion or uses it, just more scary scary stupidity.

Home run hit.

madmax · December 23, 2008

Last I heard there were 100s of millions....
Forget that there are at least 5 Catholic churches....

Roman

Anglo

Greek

Russian

Coptic

No, there is one. Why are you so confused about that :unsure:

madmax · December 23, 2008

I don;t think there was abortion in biblical times.

To busy killing the babies after they were born. Some of the best/worst stories in the bible are about killing babies. I Hear that it was popular around the time of Jesus.

madmax · December 23, 2008

Is it really surprising to anyone that most religious folks would vote Conservative? Come on.
How much of the gay vote do you think the Tories get? Would it shock you if I suggested - not much?

I don't know how much of the Gay vote Conservatives get, I know how many Straight votes Gay Conservatives Get. Enough to become MPs.

In the past, the Gay Conservative MPP fought for the spousal rights of gay couples. A few years later that led to cause of many Gay Marriages.

madmax · December 23, 2008

The Bible also teaches that homosexuality is a sin

And Gay Marriage is supported by this Conservative Attack Dog.

Conservative Party Rejects Organizer of Huge Ottawa Marriage March As Potential Candidate: Stephen Harper wants pro-same-sex 'marriage' Ontario MPP John Baird to be the riding's candidate OTTAWA, April 29, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - John Pacheco, the principal organizer of the largest rally in the country in defence of traditional marriage in Ottawa only three weeks ago has been rejected as a possible Conservative candidate for the Ottawa West riding. The stunning development has left social conservatives within the party scratching their heads. Pacheco, working with life, faith and family groups drew over 15,000 people to rally for traditional marriage on Parliament Hill on April 9. In an interview, Pacheco told LifeSiteNews.com that he launched an appeal to the party once he learned of his rejection but the appeal failed. "Obviously, I am disappointed in the decision, not so much because of my own political ambitions which are quite secondary, but because the positions which I espouse, being held by many Party members who share my social conservative views on preserving the institution of marriage and family, will not be given a full representation," he said. Pacheco added, "Debate and dialogue are absolutely critical for the health of a free and democratic society, and this is no less true for political parties. If an idea or position does not have merit, then the debate and dialogue among the Party's membership should decide that it does not." The central issue in the decision seems to have been the marriage issue. The Conservative Party and its leader have made little secret that the Party favours candidate John Baird, a Member of Provincial Parliament for the Tories who is willing to leave provincial politics to run federally. Baird, however, is a staunch proponent of homosexual 'marriage'. In the provincial legislature Baird spoke in favour of a provincial gay marriage law striking the words "husband" and "wife" from all Ontario legislation.

Mr.Canada · December 23, 2008

Let's keep it on topic guys. This thread is about the rise in the Christian right within the Conservative Party and it's coming effect on policy as is done in the USA.

punked · December 23, 2008

Let's keep it on topic guys. This thread is about the rise in the Christian right within the Conservative Party and it's coming effect on policy as is done in the USA.

Gay rights would be on topic then.

M.Dancer · December 23, 2008

No, there is one. Why are you so confused about that

You're pulling my leg, right?

punked · December 23, 2008

To busy killing the babies after they were born. Some of the best/worst stories in the bible are about killing babies. I Hear that it was popular around the time of Jesus.

Killing?

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Mr.Canada · December 23, 2008

You're pulling my leg, right?

The RCC is the only Church started by St. Peter under the direction of Jesus Christ himself.

Coptic's follow the same laws as the RCC and are in Communion with the RCC.

The others aren't. This Anglo you speak of doesn't exist or at least I've never heard of it.

madmax · December 23, 2008

You're pulling my leg, right?

Me never, I leave that to you.

There is only one, I know him, his name is BOB. You can spell it backwards if you like, but that is the guy. And while you might question that there could be MILLIONS of BOBs, only one BOB I know is THE CATHOLIC.

He is BOB the CATHOLIC.

Now we have to back on topic with regards to GAYS and the Religious Right.

(OK, I was pulling your leg, can't even make it out of this mess)

Edited December 23, 2008 by madmax

Drea · December 23, 2008

I'm well aware of that it was a joke. I saw the original when the man published it years ago.
You said

I was proving that Christian groups give much more than anyone else and your fear of saying I'm right is all the proof I need. Thanks for that.

I will stop there and continue on when you agree that Christian groups do care about humans and do most of the Charity work involved in caring/ feeding of the homeless for example.

I wasn’t out to prove you wrong regarding Christians' giving to charity.

I disagree with religious policies in government and the public sphere.

You want your religion (in your opinion it is the “best” religion) to dictate the country’s laws – but I say NO religion should play a role in government because there are some people out there that believe THEIR religion is the “right” one (not yours)

Being no one can ever agree on which religion is the “right” one, it should not have a role in our (or any) government.

Do you see where I am coming from with this? Or are you so blinded by “faith” in your religion that you believe EVERYONE should follow it?

If Christians were not allowed to “Minister” to those they help, would they still help them?

I know very nice, kind Christians who have gone to Africa to help the starving children. They get food and the bible. How about being a humanist and just giving them the food and not expecting anything in return?

Wouldn’t that be nice? Why should a person have to listen to a sermon in order to eat?

Edited December 23, 2008 by Drea

madmax · December 23, 2008

Let's keep it on topic guys. This thread is about the rise in the Christian right within the Conservative Party and it's coming effect on policy as is done in the USA.

So, how does the Religious Right feel about the CPC MP supporting GAY marriage?

The best choice for the Religious Right, is the Christian Heritage Party.

M.Dancer · December 23, 2008

So, how does the Religious Right feel about the CPC MP supporting GAY marriage?
The best choice for the Religious Right, is the Christian Heritage Party.

Who cares? The religious right make up a very very small demographic and aren't enough to swing anyone riding....sort of like saying Elizabeth May has the support of hairy legged ,stinky armpit, hemp wearing feminsists....really, who cares?

Mr.Canada · December 24, 2008

You want your religion (in your opinion it is the “best” religion) to dictate the country’s laws – but I say NO religion should play a role in government because there are some people out there that believe THEIR religion is the “right” one (not yours)

It's going to happen no matter what imo. People have beliefs and sometimes those beliefs are based on religion. It's who they are and impossible to get away from. I'm sure in a perfect Drea world there would be no religion and everyone would make decisions based on the merit of the idea. Hey, sounds great but people aren't robots and they have feelings and emotions and sometimes these people o matter how have their belief system, in some form or another based in a religion they were born into.

Do you see where I am coming from with this? Or are you so blinded by “faith” in your religion that you believe EVERYONE should follow it?

I didn't intend to sound that and if I have I apologize. SOmetimes my rhetoric even surpasses my typing.

If Christians were not allowed to “Minister” to those they help, would they still help them?
I know very nice, kind Christians who have gone to Africa to help the starving children. They get food and the bible. How about being a humanist and just giving them the food and not expecting anything in return?

Wouldn’t that be nice? Why should a person have to listen to a sermon in order to eat?

Now, this is interesting. I hadn't actually thought about this pov. I certain it's not quite a pre-req. but yea there is some ministering going on for sure. Why wouldn't they convert to Christianity as they see these (stereotyping) white folks coming over who seem to live well and have so much that they are sharing with Africans for no reason. It must seem like he answer to their problems.

Very interesting pov, this last one Drea. I really should read some more posts here instead of just reacting.

Slim MacSquinty · December 24, 2008

Jimmy Carter wrote a book vaguely on this topic a couple of years ago, he being a strong evangelic christian (southern baptist) has a very strong faith but effectively argued against the rise of political influence of the southern baptists and religion in general into the US political sphere.

His intepretation of his religion, which he says equates to all protestants, says that they should remain out of politics in terms of their religion, he goes on to describe in great detail how he was able to make that work while president without diminishing his presidency or his religious practices.

What you are proposing Mr Canada, contrasts his position, and in fact strikes me as dangerously similar to the Muslim idea of Sharia law. My religion, and I suggest yours as well, is between me and my God, is my right to practice as I please and not to be imposed on others any more than the religion of others should be imposed on me.

I believe the conservative party of Canada shares my interpretation of this matter. That being said there are limits to the freedom of religion that could cause damage to others while at the same time all religions share some fundemental moral principles which one could easily confuse with fundemental human rights ideology before it got sidetracked by special interest lawyers.

If you are so willing to push christian principles out into the political sphere then you had better be prepared to swallow muslim, buddist, jewish, hindu etc etc as well.

No thanks

Jerry J. Fortin · December 24, 2008

This nation was based on Christian ideals, that is the center of politics in Canada. There is a left and a right, but the center is for Christians.

ToadBrother · December 24, 2008

This nation was based on Christian ideals, that is the center of politics in Canada. There is a left and a right, but the center is for Christians.

What Christian ideals? For most of Christianity's history, it has supported absolute monarchs, played political games, and generally favored a top-down system of social organization.

Our current political system has its origins in pagan Germanic and pre-Christian Roman law, with a good deal of informing by Greek political thought. Many of the key Enlightenment figures were at best nominally Christian.

There's very little of our system that I can tell that is based in any way on Christianity.

ToadBrother · December 24, 2008

The RCC is the only Church started by St. Peter under the direction of Jesus Christ himself.

Um, some of the Eastern Churches, in particular Jerusalem, most certainly predate the Catholic Church.

Coptic's follow the same laws as the RCC and are in Communion with the RCC.

The Coptic Church most certainly is not. It is aligned with Eastern Orthodoxy, though historically it is in fact among the most ancient churches, at one time coequal with the other major churches.

Goat Boy© · December 24, 2008

The tide is shifting my friends. Christians are the major religious group in this country and it's about time we move into power and instruct our leaders with what the silent majority wants. We must let them know that we'll be silent no more!

The silent majority? You would imply that the majority of voters are christians?

Goat Boy© · December 24, 2008

ACK!
You can't be serious?

Religion does not belong in politics! It belongs in your heart and your home (and your church if you must) but it NEVER belongs in the public sphere.

If Christians are in government (and pushing their Christian agenda) then ALL religions should have the opportunity to push their agendas in goverment. It's all or nothing baby.

No one religion is "better" than another. They are equally antiquated and NONE of them as they stand today give one shit about us as human beings.

I vote that the Flying Spaghetti Monster get equal billing and you can bow to its noodly appendages and worship its meatsauce. THAT is how seriously ridiculous religion is!

Preach on brother pastafarian.

Goat Boy© · December 24, 2008

Now, this is interesting. I hadn't actually thought about this pov. I certain it's not quite a pre-req. but yea there is some ministering going on for sure. Why wouldn't they convert to Christianity as they see these (stereotyping) white folks coming over who seem to live well and have so much that they are sharing with Africans for no reason. It must seem like he answer to their problems.
Very interesting pov, this last one Drea. I really should read some more posts here instead of just reacting.

It's not a POV, it's reality. Like the missionaries in the pacific in the early 20th century. They got the natives addicted to alcohol and tobacco, and then refused to provide it until they moved toward conversion. Like filling a quota.

Goat Boy© · December 24, 2008

What Christian ideals? For most of Christianity's history, it has supported absolute monarchs, played political games, and generally favored a top-down system of social organization.
Our current political system has its origins in pagan Germanic and pre-Christian Roman law, with a good deal of informing by Greek political thought. Many of the key Enlightenment figures were at best nominally Christian.

There's very little of our system that I can tell that is based in any way on Christianity.

Perhaps Mr. C was referring to the founders of Canada belonging to the, believe in my god or face excommunication/interdict/death, club.

charter.rights · December 24, 2008

What Christian ideals? For most of Christianity's history, it has supported absolute monarchs, played political games, and generally favored a top-down system of social organization.

The Queen's Coronation is performed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Church of England This means that the Monarchy and thus any political institution is first sanctioned by the Church.

ToadBrother · December 24, 2008

The Queen's Coronation is performed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Church of England This means that the Monarchy and thus any political institution is first sanctioned by the Church.

Canada does not have an established Church, and even in England, it's largely a nominal notion. The Queen is Head of the Church in much the same way she is the head of state.

At any rate, our laws are certainly based on Biblical law. In fact, other than perhaps Iran and Saudi Arabia, I don't think there are any countries that can meaningfully claim to have legal codes based on Mosaic Law.