Ignatieff kissing Quebec butt already

[gordiecanuk]

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Done max...

[madmax]

Done max...

Thanks...

And how do you feel about Harper Appointing a Separtist to the Senate? Do you think it is Good for Canada, or do you view it like Punked?

[gordiecanuk]

Thanks...

And how do you feel about Harper Appointing a Separtist to the Senate? Do you think it is Good for Canada, or do you view it like Punked?

In the grand scheme of things...it doesn't mean much, but it does show Harper's total hypocrisy. The Conservative party has a long history of courting soft separtists, Mulroney's wooing of them for electoral gain in Quebec led to the creation of the BQ, Bloc founder Lucien Bouchard was a minister under Mulroney.

The Liberals have long had the Federalist vote in Quebec, so the Tories court the separatists.

[M.Dancer]

Mulroney's wooing of them for electoral gain in Quebec led to the creation of the BQ, Bloc founder Lucien Bouchard was a minister under Mulroney.

The Liberals have long had the Federalist vote in Quebec, so the Tories court the separatists.

1) Dion used to be a separitist

2) Mulroney's "wooing" din't lead to the Bloc, it was the rejection of the meech accord...who campaigned against that pray tell?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Everyone in federal politics kisses Quebec butts, with the possible exception of the Green Party.

[gordiecanuk]

1) Dion used to be a separitist

2) Mulroney's "wooing" din't lead to the Bloc, it was the rejection of the meech accord...who campaigned against that pray tell?

Dion was never a separatist...show me anything that lists him as a member of any separtist orginization. He does acknowledge flirting with the idea in his youth...so if that qualifies then there's tons of canadians out there who are marixts and nazis and anarchists based on the idea that they found a particular ideology interesting when young. He is after all the author of the 'Clarity Act' which spells out very specific rules should Quebec wish to separate...something for which many Quebecers dislike him.

Mulroney was able to bring in guys like Lucien and Benoit (Benny) Bouchard...soft separtists, Mulroney brought them into the Conservative party by promising Constitutional renewal, when he failed...the Bloc was born.

Hey guys...come join the Conservatives and I'll give you special status. When he couldn't deliver they screwed him royally and reduced the Cons to 2 seats. Now Harper is at it again with granting 'nation' status to Quebecois and appointing a PQ senator.

[M.Dancer]

Oops...wrong thread.

Edited December 24, 2008 by M.Dancer

[gordiecanuk]

1) Dion used to be a separitist

2) Mulroney's "wooing" din't lead to the Bloc, it was the rejection of the meech accord...who campaigned against that pray tell?

Dion never was a separatist Dancer, but as a youth he was attracted to it...not unlike many youths who become attracted to things like anarchy or other ideologies. Unless you believe in things like McCarthyism, well then I think its pretty much a dead issue, Dion did after all author the "Clarity Act" for which separatists despise him.

As for Mulroney wooing of separatists into the Conservative party...Meech Lake was the carrot. "C'mon guys...help me form a gov't and I'll get you what you want". When Mulroney couldn't deliver, that's when the Bloc was born. If the Conservatives had let sleeping dogs lie back then the Bloc never would have come into being.

Now Harper is doing the same thing, appointing a PQ to the Senate. Liberals have the federalist vote in QC and Harper is trying to win the soft separtist vote...same as Mulroney did.

Edited December 24, 2008 by gordiecanuk

[Mr.Canada]

Iggy has his work cut out for him now that Harper has APPOINTED A SEPARTIST TO THE SENATE.

Harper has just scored HUGE in the Quebec Butt Kissing Contest.

KISSY KISSY.

CPC= SEPARTISTS SENATE APPOINTMENT

I like you madmax, I think this is great that you're passionate. I enjoy the fight, not necessarily the outcome. If I win great but if not at least we get to have a fight hehe.

Rivard hasn't been a separatist for years and is a Tory.

Well then this should seal up the majority for the Tories right?

[M.Dancer]

Dion never was a separatist Dancer, but as a youth he was attracted to it...not unlike many youths who become attracted to things like anarchy or other ideologies. Unless you believe in things like McCarthyism, well then I think its pretty much a dead issue, Dion did after all author the "Clarity Act" for which separatists despise him.

As for Mulroney wooing of separatists into the Conservative party...Meech Lake was the carrot. "C'mon guys...help me form a gov't and I'll get you what you want". When Mulroney couldn't deliver, that's when the Bloc was born. If the Conservatives had let sleeping dogs lie back then the Bloc never would have come into being.

Now Harper is doing the same thing, appointing a PQ to the Senate. Liberals have the federalist vote in QC and Harper is trying to win the soft separtist vote...same as Mulroney did.

Do you think separatists have ID that label them such? No...they just vote the way that attracts them. Anyway, didn't our GG used to be attracted to separatism...

Had mulroney not gone ahead with Meech, the outcome may have been the same. Those dogs didn't sleep, theyheld referendums.

[Mr.Canada]

Because it dimishes the need for parties to actualy engage the general public and to listen to them.

Lol, I like this one. Yeah I keep telling M.Dancer I respect him and he keeps telling me I'm an idiot. We have a love-idiot relationship.

[gordiecanuk]

Do you think separatists have ID that label them such? No...they just vote the way that attracts them. Anyway, didn't our GG used to be attracted to separatism...

Had mulroney not gone ahead with Meech, the outcome may have been the same. Those dogs didn't sleep, theyheld referendums.

Juste pour vous laissez savoir, je voyage souvent a Quebec (damn can't make the accents on here)...I travel often to QC, and I'm pretty much fluent (spoken though, my writing bites). You are correct to a large degree...however there are many Quebecers who I would label "hard-core" in terms of their allegiance to the separtist cause. Just spitballing I'd say around 20% of Quebecers are hard core separtist, while 20% are hard core federalist...give or take.

Its the other 50-60% who waffle between the 2. I'll have to check, but if I recall correctly Mme Jean still has a French (from France) passport, and I do recall something about her husband being involved with the separatist movement.

As for Mulroney....he let the Trojan Horse into the House of Commons, prior to that Separatists were happy to organize at the provincial level.

[Mr.Canada]

Juste pour vous laissez savoir, je voyage souvent a Quebec (damn can't make the accents on here)...I travel often to QC, and I'm pretty much fluent (spoken though, my writing bites). You are correct to a large degree...however there are many Quebecers who I would label "hard-core" in terms of their allegiance to the separtist cause. Just spitballing I'd say around 20% of Quebecers are hard core separtist, while 20% are hard core federalist...give or take.

Its the other 50-60% who waffle between the 2. I'll have to check, but if I recall correctly Mme Jean still has a French (from France) passport, and I do recall something about her husband being involved with the separatist movement.

As for Mulroney....he let the Trojan Horse into the House of Commons, prior to that Separatists were happy to organize at the provincial level.

I believe MJ gave it up when she became GG, I could be wrong. HEr husband still has one though. Just trying to help.

Edited December 24, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[madmax]

Rivard hasn't been a separatist for years and is a Tory.

Anyone who changes stripes between Separation and Federalism so quickly is not to be trusted. Let alone appointed to the Senate.

In the 1994 Quebec election, Rivard ran in the riding of Limoilou representing the Parti Québécois and was elected. He served in various backbench roles in the PQ government, including as Assistant to the Minister responsible for the Quebec region (from January 19, 1996 to October 28, 1998). As a PQ member he campaigned for Quebec sovereignty during the 1995 Quebec referendum.

He then became a two time Loser.......no longer trusted by the public.

Now he has been appointed to an unelected body accountable to no one.

Well then this should seal up the majority for the Tories right?

This is about Kissing Quebec Butt.

Politicians who receive a brown nose from butt kissing, will find that their "good" intentions are undermined by the stink.

[madmax]

As for Mulroney....he let the Trojan Horse into the House of Commons, prior to that Separatists were happy to organize at the provincial level.

Exactly... and now Harper has put a Trojan Horse in the Senate.

[gordiecanuk]

Exactly... and now Harper has put a Trojan Horse in the Senate.

Maxx, its been a political reality in Canada for a long time, if you want to form a majority government, you need to do well with Quebec's electorate. The Liberals have had the Core Federalist vote for 'yahrs'...now with the Bloc taking the hard core separtists that leaves only the soft separtists left, Harper is merely pandering so he can get his covetted majority, but personally...I think he blew his one chance already.