Canadian troops need to be air mobilized!

[wulf42]

Doesn't make sense given the danger of the IED threat! the simple solution would be to move our troops around by helicopters and over the danger, it would certainly reduce what is becoming a way to often common scene!

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9009837.html

Edited December 16, 2008 by wulf42

[Smallc]

We have 20 helicopters in Afghanistan....right now. Fact is, you can't do everything from the air.

[wulf42]

We have 20 helicopters in Afghanistan....right now. Fact is, you can't do everything from the air.

Well i would say we need more, and your right we can't do it all from the air but a large majority of it could be...in Vietnam the Americans

used the Helicopter extensively, drop in fast get out fast!

[Smallc]

Well i would say we need more, and your right we can't do it all from the air but a large majority of it could be...in Vietnam the Americans

used the Helicopter extensively, drop in fast get out fast!

This isn't Vietnam. We're not dropping bombs very often at this stage in the game.

[wulf42]

This isn't Vietnam. We're not dropping bombs very often at this stage in the game.

No but we are going from village to village trying to win the hearts and minds and all...the Taliban knows what routes we are going to take and simply wait for our guys to come along, flying in from different directions would foil their plans.

Edited December 16, 2008 by wulf42

[Oleg Bach]

You guys remind me of Conrad Black with his real expensive set of tin soldiers and his stack of Napoleon books...this is not a game...yes Canada needs to be air mobilized - yah! Air mobilized right out of the fraudulently created sucked into vortex of a rock garden....Deal with Paksistan directly and with the Saudis directly and put and end to this terror scare...but no ---------you are all chicken - That's right you heard me - chicken! You do not have the will or courage to look the truth in the face - instead you waste young men the same way you are about to wasted billions on bailing out some executive auto industry parasites who will take the money and STILL dispose of the workers - where is the logic?

[wulf42]

You guys remind me of Conrad Black with his real expensive set of tin soldiers and his stack of Napoleon books...this is not a game...yes Canada needs to be air mobilized - yah! Air mobilized right out of the fraudulently created sucked into vortex of a rock garden....Deal with Paksistan directly and with the Saudis directly and put and end to this terror scare...but no ---------you are all chicken - That's right you heard me - chicken! You do not have the will or courage to look the truth in the face - instead you waste young men the same way you are about to wasted billions on bailing out some executive auto industry parasites who will take the money and STILL dispose of the workers - where is the logic?

Um yeah..okay, well actually i am not a politician so my input probably wouldn't help...lol!

[Ontario Loyalist]

Doesn't make sense given the danger of the IED threat! the simple solution would be to move our troops around by helicopters and over the danger, it would certainly reduce what is becoming a way to often common scene!

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9009837.html

a) this is the specific reason helicopters & crews were sent over there about a month ago, so where have you been?

just wait until one of these things is shot down and we lose 20 guys instead of just 2 or 3...

Edited December 16, 2008 by Ontario Loyalist

[punked]

You buy them for the troops and if you can't I say we bring them home.

[wulf42]

You buy them for the troops and if you can't I say we bring them home.

Actually i agree with you if we can't give them what they need then pull them out!

[punked]

Actually i agree with you if we can't give them what they need then pull them out!

GOOD! We agree.

[wulf42]

a) this is the specific reason helicopters & crews were sent over there about a month ago, so where have you been?

If this is true that is good news i have been busy and did not hear about it, hopefully our guys will stop taking hits like we have seen lately.

[jdobbin]

Well i would say we need more, and your right we can't do it all from the air but a large majority of it could be...in Vietnam the Americans

used the Helicopter extensively, drop in fast get out fast!

The U.S. lost 5000 helicopters in Vietnam. They lost 2200 pilots and 2500 crewmen.

Afghans have a long record of shooting down helicopters during the 1980s.

[Oleg Bach]

Um yeah..okay, well actually i am not a politician so my input probably wouldn't help...lol!

You are a citizen and you own your representives..correct? I mean you did send them off to Ottawa...or did they go all by themselves? - I see the later writer talks about supplying troops with better equipment...that's a good idea - how about some massive tanks that can with stand those IEDs....if you are going to have a war - think big or stay home - What this poster is telling us is that we do not have the capabiltiy to fly about at will - if that's the case...more will die if the violence intesifies - wounded will not reach hosiptal in time due to lack of air mobility - plus - you should be able to swoop in on those cave dwellers at will.....maybe we should recruit some of the old Viet Nam chopper fly boys...with a few hip replacements they should be ready to go -----stop fooling around and give it up....By the time you are equipped with choppers and people who can fly them - it will be to late - and if you assist the Americans past the quit date - they will keep you there FOREVER.

[wulf42]

You are a citizen and you own your representives..correct? I mean you did send them off to Ottawa...or did they go all by themselves? - I see the later writer talks about supplying troops with better equipment...that's a good idea - how about some massive tanks that can with stand those IEDs....if you are going to have a war - think big or stay home - What this poster is telling us is that we do not have the capabiltiy to fly about at will - if that's the case...more will die if the violence intesifies - wounded will not reach hosiptal in time due to lack of air mobility - plus - you should be able to swoop in on those cave dwellers at will.....maybe we should recruit some of the old Viet Nam chopper fly boys...with a few hip replacements they should be ready to go -----stop fooling around and give it up....By the time you are equipped with choppers and people who can fly them - it will be to late - and if you assist the Americans past the quit date - they will keep you there FOREVER.

Well our soldiers are keeping those cave dwellers to busy fighting for their survival rather than training Al-Qaeda in training camps! there is a reason they are over there you know!

[Ontario Loyalist]

If this is true that is good news i have been busy and did not hear about it, hopefully our guys will stop taking hits like we have seen lately.

What do you mean if?

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/Newsroom/view...s_e.asp?id=2813

(I found this by googling "Canada Afghanistan Helicopters" which takes all of TEN SECONDS)

[Oleg Bach]

YES - our troops need to be air moblized! First we have to search out contractors to build choppers - or maybe just buy them from the Americans - and if the delivery date of the machines is to far off into the future - we could extend our exit date to 2020...why not - might just boost the ailing economy - after all when you have horrifically bad and untalented leadership - they take out the old play book that states "When you are not smart enough to manage a nation fiscally - wage war" - Anytime any nation is run poorly - they stoop to the lowest standard of monitary stimulation - killing people - real creative..

[Smallc]

YES - our troops need to be air moblized!

They already are!!!!

[Borg]

They already are!!!!

We would have been - already - if we had not sold the Chinooks to the Dutch and cancelled a helicopter contract.

Libs in action.

We reap what we sow.

Borg

Edited December 20, 2008 by Borg

[jdobbin]

We would have been - already - if we had not sold the Chinooks to the Dutch and cancelled a helicopter contract.

Libs in action.

Actually, it was the Tories that sold the helicopters to the Dutch.

Tories in action.

[Argus]

They already are!!!!

No. An air mobile army has a lot more than a dozen transport helicopters. In fact, Canada has always been extremely backward in this respect. Even small nations have armed helicopters, for example. Canada has never had any, and has no plans to have any. Australia has gunships. New Zealand has gunships. ZIMBABWE has gunships. Canada considers them a suspiciously new and untested idea that still requires a few decades more research before they decide whether the concept has any merit.

The Zimbabwe air force, btw, has more helicopters than Canada. Most likely they don't work very well, but they have them.

Canada's military masters are still suspicious of the truck, much less the helicopter. To them, soldiers should get everywhere by foot.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I will suggest a few squadrons of V22's is what we need. Why not its Christmas time!

[wulf42]

No. An air mobile army has a lot more than a dozen transport helicopters. In fact, Canada has always been extremely backward in this respect. Even small nations have armed helicopters, for example. Canada has never had any, and has no plans to have any. Australia has gunships. New Zealand has gunships. ZIMBABWE has gunships. Canada considers them a suspiciously new and untested idea that still requires a few decades more research before they decide whether the concept has any merit.

The Zimbabwe air force, btw, has more helicopters than Canada. Most likely they don't work very well, but they have them.

Canada's military masters are still suspicious of the truck, much less the helicopter. To them, soldiers should get everywhere by foot.

Very true..

In Afghanistan our guys should be doing helicopter patrols exclusively! cover more ground and be somewhat safer!

[Ontario Loyalist]

I will suggest a few squadrons of V22's is what we need. Why not its Christmas time!

This is something that we don't need at all.

[Oleg Bach]

They already are!!!!

The only mobilization that I see by air are the hearst planes.