Election Spending

[scribblet]

Oh Oh, here it comes again... the whinging and moaning because the Liberals can't raise money - watch out for them agitating for more election time censorship and spending limits to include the pre-writ period.

"We cannot afford to let others distort or confuse just because they have more money," says Dion

cry me a river

[Mr.Canada]

Oh Oh, here it comes again... the whinging and moaning because the Liberals can't raise money - watch out for them agitating for more election time censorship and spending limits to include the pre-writ period.

"We cannot afford to let others distort or confuse just because they have more money," says Dion

cry me a river

I love it and think it's hilarious. If this was really Canadas Natural governing party you'd figure they could raise a couple bucks. I guess the Tories are the new Natural Governing Party of Canada.

This was legislation brought about by the Liberals.

We have made it! Put PM Harper the 20 dollar bill!

EDIT- Now we have to hit them while their down and crush them completely. We didn't come this far to let them back in the game.

Edited October 20, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[William Ashley]

I love it and think it's hilarious. If this was really Canadas Natural governing party you'd figure they could raise a couple bucks. I guess the Tories are the new Natural Governing Party of Canada.

This was legislation brought about by the Liberals.

We have made it! Put PM Harper the 20 dollar bill!

EDIT- Now we have to hit them while their down and crush them completely. We didn't come this far to let them back in the game.

Yeah NDP in government.

GO IDIOTS!

[Mr.Canada]

Yeah NDP in government.

GO IDIOTS!

Please try not to troll and make your posts make some sort of point please.

I understand politics brings out the worst in people at times but we try to be civil here at Maple leaf Web.

[William Ashley]

Please try not to troll and make your posts make some sort of point please.

I understand politics brings out the worst in people at times but we try to be civil here at Maple leaf Web.

Same for you also Mr. Canada. This is a clear instance of the pot. If you arn't bright enough to follow keep on shining, youve been practicing long enough.

[Bryan]

Oh Oh, here it comes again... the whinging and moaning because the Liberals can't raise money - watch out for them agitating for more election time censorship and spending limits to include the pre-writ period.

"We cannot afford to let others distort or confuse just because they have more money," says Dion

cry me a river

I don't think we need to be laughing at their misery, but the point is still valid.

Both the NDP and the Liberals have deceitfully tried to paint the CPC as being in bed with big business, but it was the NDP and Liberals who were cut off at the knees by no longer allowing such support. Historically, the Liberals relied heavily on corporate donations, the NDP on union donations. The Conservatives' strength is their individual support. Limiting who can donate and making the maximum donation so low, means you are dependent on how many supporters you have, not how rich a few of them might be. The Conservatives have proven that they are the ones who really are the party of the common citizen far more so than the other left wing parties who make such claims.

[normanchateau]

The Conservatives have proven that they are the ones who really are the party of the common citizen far more so than the other left wing parties who make such claims.

Indeed they do fit at least one definition of the adjective "common".

[Brunopolis]

I don't think we need to be laughing at their misery, but the point is still valid.

Both the NDP and the Liberals have deceitfully tried to paint the CPC as being in bed with big business, but it was the NDP and Liberals who were cut off at the knees by no longer allowing such support. Historically, the Liberals relied heavily on corporate donations, the NDP on union donations. The Conservatives' strength is their individual support. Limiting who can donate and making the maximum donation so low, means you are dependent on how many supporters you have, not how rich a few of them might be. The Conservatives have proven that they are the ones who really are the party of the common citizen far more so than the other left wing parties who make such claims.

Even though I voted NDP I completely agree with the donation limit that Conservatives put in place. The last thing we need is unions and corporations pulling the strings of our elected officials like our neighbours to the south.

As for the party of the common citizen? Unfortunately, Canada doesn't really have a "common citizen" party because we're so fractured overall. Canada will never really be "united" due to it's size and this also applies to politics with parties tending to congregate in particular areas. So it's a little hard to say one party represents the "common citizen".

[normanchateau]

Even though I voted NDP I completely agree with the donation limit that Conservatives put in place.

Please provide a citation for your claim that the donation limit was put in place by the Conservatives.

Chretien was not a Conservative.

[Riverwind]

Please provide a citation for your claim that the donation limit was put in place by the Conservatives.

Harper lowered it from 5K to 1.1K

[Brunopolis]

Please provide a citation for your claim that the donation limit was put in place by the Conservatives.

Chretien was not a Conservative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Accountability_Act

[normanchateau]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Accountability_Act

The donation limit was put in place by Chretien:

"But the most significant overhaul came in 2003, with Bill C-24, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act and the Income Tax Act (Political Financing), also introduced by Chrétien. Prior to this, political contributions could be made by individuals, corporations, unions and other organizations, Canadian or not, a point which was widely criticized. In the past, Canada's election law had focused more on spending limits, rather than who gave what. Bill C-24, in effect, restricted contributions to Canadian citizens and permanent residents, with some minor exceptions, and enforced a limit on the amounts given.

Once the bill came into effect in January 2004, corporations and unions could only give no more than $1,000 annually, with adjustments for inflation. But, some organizations aren't able to give that either. Corporations that don't do business in Canada, unions that don't hold bargaining rights for Canadian employees, and Crown corporations that get more than 50 per cent of their funding from the government aren't eligible. Canadians, however, could give $5,000 annually, also with adjustments for inflation. But, indirect contributions are prohibited. Plus, any person or corporation who gave more than $200 would have their name and address published. "Contributions" also included goods and services donated "in-kind."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdngover...tributions.html

Harper merely modified it.

[Bryan]

The donation limit was put in place by Chretien:

Harper merely modified it.

Sure, If you call removing 75% of a party's ability to raise funding from one source, 90% from another, and 100% from two more a "mere modification".

[scribblet]

I don't think we need to be laughing at their misery, but the point is still valid.

Both the NDP and the Liberals have deceitfully tried to paint the CPC as being in bed with big business, but it was the NDP and Liberals who were cut off at the knees by no longer allowing such support. Historically, the Liberals relied heavily on corporate donations, the NDP on union donations. The Conservatives' strength is their individual support. Limiting who can donate and making the maximum donation so low, means you are dependent on how many supporters you have, not how rich a few of them might be. The Conservatives have proven that they are the ones who really are the party of the common citizen far more so than the other left wing parties who make such claims.

I'm not laughing, just pointing out that it looks like we can expectmore agitating from the Liberals to limit spending during the pre-writ period, which means all the time right. In other words more socialism as in - if we have to be poor - so do you.

I'm wondering if this is an undercurrent in Liberal circles as the subject came up in a conversation during the election. The Liberal supporter actually said something similar, that she didn't think it was fair that one party should be able to spend more than an other because they happened to be better at raising money. I disagreed that it should all be regulated outside of the writ period.

I am glad we are not subjected to a couple of years and milions of dollars as in the U.S. but to limit spending under the guise of being fair, is just another way to stifle opposing viewpoints.

Just to add, that in retrospect political advertising pays off.

Edited October 21, 2008 by scriblett

[Mr.Canada]

I'm not laughing, just pointing out that it looks like we can expectmore agitating from the Liberals to limit spending during the pre-writ period, which means all the time right. In other words more socialism as in - if we have to be poor - so do you.

I'm wondering if this is an undercurrent in Liberal circles as the subject came up in a conversation during the election. The Liberal supporter actually said something similar, that she didn't think it was fair that one party should be able to spend more than an other because they happened to be better at raising money. I disagreed that it should all be regulated outside of the writ period.

I am glad we are not subjected to a couple of years and milions of dollars as in the U.S. but to limit spending under the guise of being fair, is just another way to stifle opposing viewpoints.

Just to add, that in retrospect political advertising pays off.

The conservatives are anything but poor they are flush with cash. CPC members actually donate to their party whereas the LPC members do not. The overall average is $200 per person and something like $5 for the LPC. The CPC is a party for the average Canadian, this proves it.